Korvin will gently hold her hand against his cheak then bring it down so he is holding it in both of his hands. He leans into so he can speak in her ear. You really must make use of the portal to Mons Electi.
He straightens and looks into her eyes. I know the offer is fair and I told Alexei this. While I will support my friend and Covenant-mate I must also support my House. We can give 30 pawns of vis today. 2 rooks of Herbam and 1 rook of Mentum. Korvin turns to Alexei. Alexei will have to pay some of it back to the Covenant but that is for later. For the other 15 we can bargain. Perhaps you can find some use for a season of Alexei's time or mine. You know my specialty. He kisses her hand. Alexei is a very skilled soldier and accomplished magus. Or, if you wish you can give us a year to pay the other 15.
"Korvin, you know I'm far too busy." She declines his offer gently, and perhaps a bit unwillingly.
"The Herbam vis could be very useful to us. I'm not sure if you noticed the construction going on...but we could use a spell that could construct additional warehouses. It would allow us to focus funds and labor into other more necessary areas. So if someone could make us a ritual to make our warehouses, even if they aren't ready right this moment, but sometime within the next year, it would be most helpful."
Creo Herbam ritual. Korvin looks to Sevrin to confirm and then back to Alexei. Might only be a 3rd or 4th magnitude spell. Are you up to this task my friend?
((It's probably more than 4th. And it's certainly no less than 4th magnitude.))
"That's a task for a magus, not me. We just need a copy of the lab text, too."
((it was not clear that I was talking to Alexei. I was looking at Base 3 Touch +1 Size +3 or +4, Perhaps simple design +1. This is based off of Wizard's tower.))
It's a ritual, they are always at least 20th level, even if they are less than that in the determination of magnitude.
Look at this spell for inspiration, and run the final spell designed through the troupe for some comments...
That spell creates various pieces of wood of differing sizes; this spell would need complexity to assemble all the pieces into a final form. I think T: Group and Base 2 are better than T:Ind Base 3 (which is like a huge hollowed out hunk of wood of gargantuan size. But either approach is possible. I just want someone else's eyeballs on the final spell designed/submitted.
Looked to Sevrin to confirm it was herbam then look to Alexei
Creo Herbam rituals do not require the wood. Same as Creo Terram rituals do not require stone. You are looking at ReHe spells that require finesse to put the structure together. This is not building a complex structure but a simple one.
I'm not saying that CrHe ritual spells require the wood.
I'm saying that the ritual I vaguely suggested creates the wood (pieces) and puts it together in a finished form. Base 3 would create a giant block of hollowed out wood. Even within the paradigm, cabinetmakers will tell you this is a bad idea, as the wood will warp badly over time. I have to take some cupping out of my workbench, and it's not even a solid piece of wood. It happens. Trust me.
The ritual I'm suggesting, while based on the spell I outlined actually puts it all together, very much like Conjuration of the Seaworthy Cog (from Hermetic Projects) does. Maybe I should have referenced that spell...
That spell (CotSC) has problems as written, in HP, though. It's T:Structure, not T:Group, but changing it to T:Group and adjusting the size component will leave it the same level.
The Ritual will put all the pieces together, and while it is a simple design, you're assembling a lot of individual pieces, so some complexity is necessary.
Conjuring the Mystic Tower creates a piece of stone, with hollowed out portions for each floor, and a layout specified by the ritual, which makes it complex. No need to shape anything else anywhere.
Am I making sense, yet?
Only in the sense that making a wooden structure with magic is more of a pain in the @$$ than just making a stone structure. Even the examplethat Peregrine is more involved than just making it from stone. A stone version of the same spell would be CrTe25 rather and CrHe(te)30
IMHO, This would be ReTe in this case with a load of finesse to get it right.
((Wow, a bunch went on while I was getting lunch and comics. For the record Alexei has a decent Finesse with a specialty in making things with magic.))
Alexei mostly stays quiet during the rapid fire exchange between the two and was pleased that real progress was being made. At the mention of both the protection of the Redcaps and Harco grogs Alexei smiles. With the mention of the warehouse and its permutations he sees his opening.
"My Sodales, I appreciate the concern for the Redcaps and grogs, but truly, they should not be needed. Their danger would be from Warping of course, which would be avoided altogether if they don't go. They were left on a long abandoned stretch of road in the Holy Lands. As for the Ritual, Creo and Herbam are some of my more formidable Arts, and as for creating things..." he pauses and his eyes unfocus a bit and a smell of rich wine fills the room, and a suit of shimmering armour appears in his hands. "Creation and the skill that it comes with is something I am quite adept at."
Output: Finesse roll 6+ [1d10] = 10 as this was not Stress he just rolled a 16
Not really...
CrHe Conjuring the Mystic Warehouse
Base: 2, R:T, D:M, T:Group, Size +3 (on Group) makes 10,000 pieces of wood.
Add +1 for complexity to assemble it into a warehouse shape and it's a Level 25 spell. +2 complexity would be 30th level.
Conceptually, you're imagining a finished warehouse, what does it look like and what is it made of. It's made up of a butt-load of wooden pieces. Some metal pieces, but we can handwave that, or they could be joined together with dowels and wooden pins, and later fastened with nails...but anyway, I digress. Yes, you need a Int+Finesse roll, just like any Creo'd item to get it to look decent, but a EF of 6 is sufficient.
Much of the confusion has been lifted from me as i have gotten to see the Seaworthy Cog spell. Much of that was based on your description which does not match the Cog spell. The wood is not created into finished pieces then put together in the Cog spell. The boat appears BAMF!! as a completed boat based on the template boat. In the above spell, Alexei will have to find his template warehouse and then make the spell which will produce an exact copy. It is not clear from the Cog spell that you need the template in the lab with you when you create the spell. i suspect that you do since they discuss lab sizes. If so then it is really really useless for what we are discussing. And a less version of Wizard's Tower would be much simpler.
If we take it as implicit, that a template is necessary for a cog, then it should be just as necessary for the tower. In short, I don't agree that a template is actually necessary in either case.
I'm just going on what that spell is based on. I've seen Wizard's Tower when a set of detailed drawings are needed to construct the tower. I would also say that a tower does not have many separate parts that a ship would have. The same as a warehouse would have far fewer parts as well. The tower could be done with a single piece of stone with no problems. Not so a complex boat.
Well, if you supply a lab text for a stone warehouse and herbam vis...Harco will be less than pleased.
I'm explicitly saying here and now, you can create it as I indicated above. Base 3, to me doesn't make a lot of sense. But, I'll go with whatever the troupe wants. It's at best a level 30 spell
Alexei can and would be fine with making the spell, just looking at Arts, he has Creo 16 and Herbam10-14, MT 6 I think, and Int +2, with Aura over 40 lab total I think. It would take 3 seasons most likely. I'd have to redo his studies for that timeframe, would we be supplying the vis as well for the first casting, and also provide a readable lab text? Just looking at the commitment of time, it looks like it'd be a year maybe.
If Alexei wants to do the ritual, and supply the text, which can then be translated at leisure. Of course, then they can translate lab texts of Alexei's at a lesser level.
And there are apprentices at Mons Electi, although I'm unsure what they are doing...
