Ars Magica GRIMOIRE

[Red-Shadow-Claws (Itzhak Even)]

@comunevelynnn

GROWTH OF THE WINGS MuAn10
R: Per, D: Sun, T: Ind
When in a bird heartbeast form, the Bjornaer can increase his size up to a average human (size 0). It's possible to go back to the normal size by rolling Sta + Heartbeast against an ease factor of 5 (3 + spell mag.).
Raven-sized birds are Size -4, so a +4 growth represents +8 to Str and -4 Qik. Max Str. is +4.
If cast again, it goes to the size of an auroch or bull (Size +3, Str +14, Qik -7). Max Str. +8.
(Base 4, +2 Sun)

The growth guideline only allows a +1 increase in size. So you need a +1 Size modifier to be able to grow by +4.

[callen]

@comunevelynnn

AVIS CONJURA CrAn30
(yes, bad Latin, like a true Bjornaer [?])
R: Touch, D: Diam, T: Group
Create a group of up to 100 raven-sized birds (Size: -4) from the hand of the magus. The conjurer don't control the ravens only with this spell, but the birds act as commom birds.
(Base 10, +1 Diam, +2 Group, +1 Touch)

Ravens are Size -3 (see notes below). Why is this artificially limited to 100? It could handle 200 if you want. It's OK to limit it, though. Also, any Size -3 bird? That's a lot of variety. Usually you at least need a magnitude for complexity/flexibility, but I see none.

@comunevelynnn

BIRTH OF THE HEARTBEAST CrAn20
R: Per, D: Sun, T: Ind
Conjure a single raven-sized bird (max. Size: -3), but it comes from inside the Bjornaer. The bird must match the exact type of the heartbeast of the magus, with little fashion differences. This spell, after successfully cast, causes extreme pain, and a Sta + Concentration roll vs Ease Factor of 15 must be made to keep concentration on anything else, which is very difficult. The "Imperturbable Casting" spell mastery option can add the Mastery Score to this roll.
Also, it causes +20 Animal Wound Damage to the caster, that can be soaked up with Sta + Heartbeast + Animal Form Bonus + Stress Die. Note that a wound caused this way can be used as an arcane connection to the bird.
(Base 10, +2 Sun)
Note: A ritual version with momentary duration is called True Birth of the Heartbeast, and it creates a permanent animal. It makes more sense to do it for the next spell, since the duration reduction will drop the spell level to exactly 20. A Rego requisite could be added to dictate the behavior of the animal at the moment of the cast, but the range would need to be increased to exert the control after it's "born", and even increase the base level. From this spell you can design another to cause someone else to give birth to this animal, but the original inventor did not get this way for religious purposes.
The concentration ease factor was calculated by the formula 3 + (3 x magnitude of the spell), and the Damage is equal to the level of the spell. Yes, it is an unnecessary cost of this spell, and it's all for the flavour: I find it cool for the character to scream in pain while giving birth to the "children" of his own Heartbeast, very dramatic for some scenes, and this have a religious touch with a lot of meaning in being a true part of the nature, expressing what life and vitality means.

@comunevelynnn

BIRTH OF THE HEARTBEAST'S FLOCK CrAn30
R: Per, D: Sun, T: Group
Conjure a group of up to 100 raven-sized birds (max. Size: -3), but it comes from inside the Bjornaer. The birds must match the exact type of the heartbeast of the magus, with little fashion differences. This spell, after successfully cast, causes extreme pain, and a Sta+Concentration roll vs Ease Factor of 21 must be made to keep concentration on anything else, which is almost impossible.
The "Imperturbable Casting" spell mastery option can add the Mastery Score to this roll (HoH: S).
Also, it causes +30 Animal Wound Damage to the caster, that can be soaked up with Sta + Heartbeast +Animal Form Bonus + Stress Die.
(Base 10, +2 Sun, +2 Group)

I don't like these two spells. Look at the first one. Consider changing it to Touch/Momentary. Now you have a CrAn 15 spell you can cast on a person to do +20 Damage? On top of this damage is creates a massive penalty to Concentration, even if the damage is Soaked? Now bump it up to Voice or Sight and you've got an overly powerful combat spell. Even without the combat issues, this is trying to get around proper Range (should be at least Touch to make this bird; Personal isn't valid) by incurring pain, and it doesn't even use Muto Corpus or anything else like that to try to justify it. These two spells invite huge problems.

@comunevelynnn

GROWTH OF THE WINGS MuAn10
R: Per, D: Sun, T: Ind
When in a bird heartbeast form, the Bjornaer can increase his size up to a average human (size 0). It's possible to go back to the normal size by rolling Sta + Heartbeast against an ease factor of 5 (3 + spell mag.).
Raven-sized birds are Size -4, so a +4 growth represents +8 to Str and -4 Qik. Max Str. is +4.
If cast again, it goes to the size of an auroch or bull (Size +3, Str +14, Qik -7). Max Str. +8.
(Base 4, +2 Sun)
Note: it was a result of the troupe concession - not even experimentation, but, by the rules, the guideline allows for a +1 size increase only, as Itzhak says below.

Itzhak already pointed out the lack of magnitudes for size. But why are raven-sized birds Size -4??? When I look at the wikipedia page for the common raven, which is presumably this, it says 1.5 to 5 lb. 2 to 5 lb birds, which fits this nearly perfectly, are Size -3. I do see now that Itzhak's Animals of Mythic Europe contains a fan-submitted raven of Size -4, so maybe you got it there; that should ideally be corrected if @Red-Shadow-Claws updates it.

@comunevelynnn

THE HUNTING HAWK CrAn30
R: Sight, D: Conc, T: Ind Requisite: Rego
Creates a raven ou hawk-sized bird to search an area. The magus may concentrate to guide the bird, and it lasts only while the magus can see the conjured bird. The caster can make a Perception roll with a +6 bonus to determine if something is found by the bird. Whet it succeeds, a sign is given by the animal, like a howl or set movement defined at casting moment.
(Base 10, +1 Conc, +3 Sight, requisite is free due to experimentation)

A raven or hawk-sized bird allows for quite a bit of variety. Any bird of Size -3? Usually spells cannot provide this sort of variety, at least not without paying extra magnitudes for complexity/flexibility. And why this +6 bonus? Usually it would be based on Finesse or some Ability. +6 is pretty darn big. Meanwhile, if it's for the Fan Grimoire, it's best not to include the bonus for experimentation, instead including the extra magnitude for the requisite; that way others can work off the spell.

@comunevelynnn

RAVEN MASTER ReAn40
R: Voice, D: Conc, T: Group
Completely control a group of up to 100 raven-size birds.
(Base 15, +1 Conc, +2 Group, +2 Voice)

I'm guessing you're artificially limiting this to 100 ravens because you're unlikely to have too many within Voice range to do any control. But there are intangible tunnels, so I still don't know why it's artificially low.

@comunevelynnn

RAVEN'S NEW FEATHERS CrAn30
R: Per, D: Moon, T: Ind Spell
Give the caster a +18 bonus to Recovery rolls. This spell must be cast in the Raven Heartbeast form, but it takes effect in human form as well, but it only works in recovery of wounds taken in the Heartbeast form. It is ineffective against poison and disease.
(Base 15, +3 Moon, no Corpus requisite due to experimentation)
Note: there are versions of this spell for other Heartbeasts.

How does the spell know if a wound was taken in animal v. human form? Why is it ineffective against poison and disease? Were these the results of experimentation? On the flip side, who cares about experimentation and the lack of a Corpus requisite; the spell doesn't need a Corpus requisite because of the standard rules. Finally, why are there versions for other Heartbeasts? There really is no need.

@comunevelynnn

TOUCH OF THE RAVEN HEARTBEAST MuCo35
R: Touch, D: Sun, T: Ind Requisite: Animal
Turn a willing target into a raven for the duration. The target can end the spell at will. Equipment don't transform with the target, but talismans do. This spell only works if the caster's Heartbeast is a raven. There are other versions of this spell for other bird-like heartbeasts.
(Base 20, +2 Sun, +1 Touch)

End the spell at will? Not only does this disagree with the rules, but the target isn't even in control of the spell. If this were Tethered and Harnessed, sure. If there were a focus to break it, as per

These foci are essential if you are to be able to break the spell in this way.

then it might be reasonable, though there would still be the question of whether Passing the Reins of Corpus would be needed. I could see the focus alone sufficing. But without any of this stuff, the spell breaks rules.

I don't know why the caster's Heartbeast matters, but it's just a limitation to the spell for whatever reason. Maybe it was some experimentation thing.

@comunevelynnn

VOICE OF THE BIRDS InAn25
R: Voice, D: Conc, T: Ind Spell
Speak with a bird, also allows to see trough the eyes of a bird the caster previously counjured, within range.
(Base 10, +1 Conc, +2 Voice)

The base to speak with the animal is 10. It's a whole separate base to sense through its eyes. I don't see the extra magnitude(s) for the added base.

[WilliamEx]

@Darki

Not sure if something like this has been done already, but I like the idea.

...

Chariot of Zeus. TRME p.112

"The Duration of this spell cannot be extended beyond Momentary,
since bolts of lightning exist only for
a moment; furthermore it can only be
used outside. Note also that, no matter what your ruling on casting requisites for Rego spells, Muto spells
definitely require them.
(Base 30)"

I think you could make it last longer, definitively requires a Rego requisite and I would make it a ritual for powerful effect as it would deliver lethal damage + secondary effects + teleport every round.

Also, no sane magus would use the effect when faced with such high concentration rolls and their potential dire impacts if they fail... You don't get to learning 50+ effects by being this careless.

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[comunevelynnn (comunevelynn)]

I didn't even expect someone to notice these, but thanks for all of this.
At first, I thought this was the right place to show spell ideas, but if it's for efficient spells for good-fast references, I'll edit and put a note on the top, tell me if you think it's better to delete this.
Yes, I took the Size -4 from Animals of Mythic Europe. That was a fast answer at the moment.
I strongly agree with the toxic potential of the Births of the Heartbeast. It was intended to be more dramatic. It's purposely designed for "NO YOU WONT CONCENTRATE YOU WILL SCREAM" for the same reason. As I said, I misinterpreted this topic. And, as it's a stress die, this is lethal - the whole roll can be reduced to 0. It's really not an efficient spell, nor good. I was not trying to get around increasing range, but I wanted to explore the "birth". I failed tho. At least, the benefit would be that it doesn't need to penetrate the caster's Parma. The Muto Corpus seems appropriate, since Quantity is in the scope of Muto, and it does not need to involve losing limbs or internal organs, but, again, this spell is too problematic, and even the damage would need to be reduced (and a perdo req, since muto can't hurt as long as I remember). At the worse, it breaks the limit of nature.
I think it would be a more appropriate effect if a Faerie Raven Queen had a power to give birth to her ravens and cause that drama I wanted. Faeries don't really feel pain, but since people expect them to, they "pretend" (knowing they're pretending or not), and the glamour thing to the sfx... this is a simple creo animal power with touch range, in the hands of a Faerie. The glamour itself can prohibit the Faerie from using it on others while it's against her role of the unique-ultimate-mother-of-ravens. Yes, meet the faerie god Morrigan.
My 100-bird limit was what I could calculate, but I'm not really good with sizes and target-size maths. I think I'm happy that this is a low limit... it means that this effect can conjure MORE BIRDS.

Raven Master is also limited to 100 due to size-misunderstanding.
Raven's new feathers is limited by the choice of the creator. Again, I didn't do that for efficiency, but roleplay.
The touch of raven heartbeast was based on the personal range Cloak of Black Feathers, but now I see that it is obvious why other person would not be able to end the spell.

About The Hunting Hawk and Voice of The Birds... I don't have any ideas to justify this. I was crazy.
I did think I was walking on mist with these spells, but I did not expect I was THAT wrong. Thanks for the help and for your time, I'll talk about this with my troupe for changes - the npc was in the lab all this time so none of these spells were cast in play, there's time to correct. Also, I'll pin your corrections in the main.

[callen]

@comunevelynnn

My 100-bird limit was what I could calculate, but I'm not really good with sizes and target-size maths.

For Size -4, you'd have +5 to reach Size +1. Each +3 is x10. ArM5 uses x2, x5, x10 rather than cube roots of 10. So that would be 50. And then Group multiplies this by 10. So you could reach a maximum of 500 individuals of Size -4, or 200 individuals of Size -3 with a standard Group Animal spell.

[Ezechiel3571]

@comunevelynnn

As I said, I misinterpreted this topic. And, as it's a stress die, this is lethal - the whole roll can be reduced to 0

If you want to keep the spell, consider that it was invented with a major flaw during experimentation. Which means it cannot be replicated to turn it into an offensive spell once range is extended to Touch or Voice. You keep the flavour without the possibility to weaponize it.

Until the mage has an opportunity to reinvent it.

@comunevelynnn

My 100-bird limit was what I could calculate, but I'm not really good with sizes and target-size maths.

It took me a while to wrap my head around. Initially, I thought Group was just 10 Ind. and made the same mistake as you or worse...
But don't worry, people will help you on this forum, as long as you are willing to go beyond the abrasive tone used by some users

[comunevelynnn (comunevelynn)]

I thought that Individual for corpus and animal were always refering for one body of a maximum of +1 size, and only Group could do the job in multiple bodies. I didn't read this way, that it's only the final mass that must match size +1, since an Individual is always 1. I'm quite happy that it's more versatile, but this insecurity is what drove me to put Group target, instead of simply Individual (I'm not concerned about the exact quantity of ravens, just the flock effect). And I found some references about flocks and ravens: the power Command the Flock (RoP: Magic, 69) from the Nephelococcugia birds is ReAg35 with T: Group, and uses 100 birds as a limit. Also, in RoP:Magic, p. 62, the Raven of Virtue is Size -4. But your math seems to be more acc about the Size -3.
Finally, I have to say... I never saw a raven in person.

[Tellus]

@comunevelynnn

I thought that Individual for corpus and animal were always refering for one body of a maximum of +1 size, and only Group could do the job in multiple bodies.

This is correct, as @callen well knows.

@comunevelynnn

I didn't read this way, that it's only the final mass that must match size +1, since an Individual is always 1.

Individual is always just one. You need Group (or Circle, Room etc) to affect more than 1, regardless of mass. However, once you have T: Group, you can get the mass of 10x a full-sized individual. Eg. 10x that of a Size +1 creature. Birds may be different though.

@comunevelynnn

Finally, I have to say... I never saw a raven in person.

Me neither.

[callen]

@Tellus

This is correct, as @callen well knows.

Yes, I do. Why are you tagging me on this??? I had asked about the amounts for Group, not Individual.

@Tellus

Birds may be different though.

Yes, that's true. Birds count as 2 Size categories larger than their actual weight would indicate.

[Tellus]

@callen

@Tellus

This is correct, as @callen well knows.

Yes, I do. Why are you tagging me on this??? I had asked about the amounts for Group, not Individual.

Apologies. I was trying to give credit where credit is due - it's my impression that you are very knowledgeable about these rules. If I came across as implying anything negative, mae culpa.