Breakthrough: Hermetic Teacher

[Berengar]

@Saxonous

Very solid, and I don't think you even need a min/maxed instructor. Teach the Gentle Gift to all students before you open the Arts, and the lab total is quite reasonable, serfs parma. Your starting instructors are very likely to be Jerbition, a university would appeal, I think, more to them then any other House, and as they retire, there will be a vastly larger pool of candidates with the Gentle Gift to choose from.

(Underscore mine.)

@Jonathan.Link

@One Shot

@Doctorcomics

Where would I find rules allowing a Jerbiton (or anyone else) with Gentle Gift to "Train" another magus in it? Are you talking about an Initiation?

He is talking about Apprentices, p.40f, Teaching Hermetic Virtues - and playing fast and loose with it. The author of Apprentices wrote here on the forum: Apprentices: In my hands... - #66 by Matt_Ryan - so keep that well in mind.

No, that's not fast and loose with the rules, those are explicitly the rules.

I underlined the relevant part, which both Tugdual and I understood as a reference to Apprentices p.40ff. Now we know that Saxonous intended another reference, whose relevance is resolved in the meantime.

So do you really wish to say about

@Saxonous

Teach the Gentle Gift to all students before you open the Arts, and the lab total is quite reasonable, serfs parma.

the following:

@Jonathan.Link

No, that's not fast and loose with the rules, those are explicitly the rules.

Then certainly ArM5 p.63 is not the rules you think of. So it is Apprentices p.40ff - despite its author stressing that these are not "the rules" for anything? So every student is an apprentice to a parens with the Gentle Gift? And a Teaching Source Quality of 21 is quite reasonable? Well, in that case I'd rather remind you of Apprentices: In my hands... - #17 by Jonathan.Link , in particular of:

@Jonathan.Link

Further, the idea that the Gentle Gift can be taught from master to student contradicts canon.

Cheers