Certamen: What have you used it for in your games?

[spidermage]

@Richard Love

Also, remember it is possible for a character to call upon a Certamen champion.

Is that permissable under the Peripheral Code in the canon of 5th Edition? I hadn't realised (sorry, I'm very much playing 'catch-up').

[The_Restless_Kaiser]

Well, I dont recall reading anywhere that it is forbidden. SO what is to stop your big brither challenging the winner when you lose?

[spidermage]

@The Restless Kaiser

Well, I dont recall reading anywhere that it is forbidden. SO what is to stop your big brither challenging the winner when you lose?

Oh no, nothing stopping that. I assumed that 'champion' was being used in the sense of someone who takes your place in the contest.

[Ejidoth]

Certamen champions are certainly allowed: it's the only way unGifted Redcaps and Ex Misc hedgies can even defend themselves under the code, in the context of certamen.

[spidermage]

@Ejidoth

Certamen champions are certainly allowed: it's the only way unGifted Redcaps and Ex Misc hedgies can even defend themselves under the code, in the context of certamen.

Yes, we allow it for those members of the Order (although the allowance for members of House ex Miscellanea without training in the Hermetic Arts was hard-won at Tribunal), but is it permissable for the bulk of standardly trained members?

[Richard_Love]

@spidermage

@Ejidoth

Certamen champions are certainly allowed: it's the only way unGifted Redcaps and Ex Misc hedgies can even defend themselves under the code, in the context of certamen.

Yes, we allow it for those members of the Order (although the allowance for members of House ex Miscellanea without training in the Hermetic Arts was hard-won at Tribunal), but is it permissable for the bulk of standardly trained members?

Yes.

Anybody can call upon the services of a certamen champion. Of course, a champion does need to be available, and willing, and presumably paid.

And, of course, requiring a champion is a tacit admission that you are too feeble to look out for your own interests.

[BlackLiger]

@Richard Love

Yes.

Anybody can call upon the services of a certamen champion. Of course, a champion does need to be available, and willing, and presumably paid.

And, of course, requiring a champion is a tacit admission that you are too feeble to look out for your own interests.

And as Tremere willingly suggest that by going to their Parens for protection occasionally, they'd merely consider it good sense if another magus did hire a champion.

[Xavi]

IMS certamen is only used sparsely. We do not like the mechanics OR the idea of certamen, since it basically means that you are a bully instead of an intelligent human being. Debates are way more common to solve disputes. After the Sundering we consider that Certamen was disgraced as a sensible meaning of solving disputes and is only used in that sense inside house tremere. For the rest of the orter it is there as a fencing sport, not a legal system. It ias ocasionally used, but not commonly.

Cheers,
Xavi

[spidermage]

@BlackLiger

@Richard Love

Yes.

Anybody can call upon the services of a certamen champion. Of course, a champion does need to be available, and willing, and presumably paid.

And, of course, requiring a champion is a tacit admission that you are too feeble to look out for your own interests.

And as Tremere willingly suggest that by going to their Parens for protection occasionally, they'd merely consider it good sense if another magus did hire a champion.

Thanks for clearing that up, folks.