Circle Duration & Existing Spells

[TimOB]

@David_Chart

First, they can affect any valid target within the Target container at the time of casting, and continue to affect those targets even if they leave the original Target area, for as long as the spell lasts.

Second, they can affect any valid target within the Target container during the spell's period of effect. In this case, a valid target that leaves the container ceases to be affected by the spell, and a valid target that enters (or re-enters) the container is affected, until it leaves or the spell expires.

Sure. It seems quite right that if I turn everyone inside of a house into frogs, they should stay that way if they hop out; similarly for Target Circle (so long as the spell is not Duration Ring).

[David_Chart]

@callen

Do you really want to do this?

I'm asking for comments to settle precisely that question.

Both your points are good, so I will delete the erratum. I am a little nervous about someone coming up with stacked Ring/Circle spells that do something horribly game-breaking forever, but the clarifications to Ring Duration should block most of them.

[ezzelino]

Excluding the Circle itlself won't fix those; they are inherent in the "permanent" nature of Ring.
It would only make the setup a little more "fragile", and if wards are explicitly made "more robust" even that mostly falls.

I'm all for "the circle falls within the circle". It's so much cleaner.

[OneShot]

@David_Chart

I am a little nervous about someone coming up with stacked Ring/Circle spells that do something horribly game-breaking forever,

Ring/Circle spells protecting against everything of any Hermetic Form from the outside should still work. How to break such a Ring/Circle, if it is protected by these spells gainst stuff of all Hermetic Forms?

Anyway, a request of equal treatment of Circle, Room, Structure and Boundary implies rewriting many spells and likely reworking the game world.

[ezzelino]

@OneShot

Anyway, a request of equal treatment of Circle, Room, Structure and Boundary implies rewriting many spells and likely reworking the game world.

That is a vast exaggeration (and things go in the opposite direction, in fact), in my opinion.

Whereas an equal treatment of "Container" spells makes ArM5, a mechanically-complex game, more accessible. This is really important: most players do not have the same level of rule-mastery as the average person discussing these threads. Keep it simple (and mythic)!

[Syrus]

@ezzelino

This is really important : most players do not have the same level of rule-mastery as the average person discussing these threads. Keep it simple (and mythic)!

I cannot agree more !