Covenant Building

I thinking charged item that will move a lab from old covenant to This covenant. Something to set up my lab instantly. Single charge.

So, basically, a charged-item version of The Ambulatory Laboratory (Covenants, p. 122)?

I'm going to say the same thing I've worked out with others via pm. If anypony wants their laboratory apporated from their old place to the new, they're going to have to work out a deal with someone (e.g. owe someone a one-off Favour).

I had envisioned the border of the higher aura on Eilean Chon being the shoreline of the island. I'd held off saying anything in case someone threw out any ideas I liked, because that's how I roll.

IMO, that's a really substantial favor. I was going to do this for Viscaria (as Ra'am) in Bibracte, I had offered this to amul because Viscaria is a bit underpowered as compared to the other magi there. Not too underpowered, just a bit. In any event, there were some hurdles to this, the first being the logistics of casting the spell, as the caster must be given a token to the Aegis. Secondly, it's a 50th level spell, per the errata. I don't know how many times I've forgotten that it's really a 50th level spell, because my PDF of Covenants and MetaCreator constantly and incorrectly remind me that it is 30th level. In some ways this is disappointing, because it means that only specialists are going to be able to move their lab back and forth.

It would be interesting if the aura were "stretchy" in the sense that if one built a pier out from it, it would encompass the pier. Or if a ship was attached to the pier it would also fall within the aura. Of course, I would only want this if there is the possibility AND the intention to build a tower on Eilean Chon of sufficient size to house magi and their sancta.

Yeah, that additional 20 levels does put a damper on things. And I kinda call shenanigans on how they did the errata. Not that they were 20(?!) levels off on the base, but that they did it based on guideline that they hadn't even come up with – my Covenants is 2nd printing, Summer 2008, and Magi of Hermes came out in September 2009. If they're going to rewrite it, they should use it based on new guidelines that they included in either Covenants or another book that came out at the same time or earlier. It almost looks like they were like, "Dude, this spell is way underpowered...let's make up a new guideline so it makes more sense!" Imo. And what makes it more annoying is that, at one point, I went through my Covenants and marked the passages that had errata, and the Ambulatory Laboratory is virginal, so it looks like that was an errata that got added later. Or is it erratum? (my dictionary says it is erratum. Yay! I was right for once!)

So, almost like a Touch-range Jacked Aura. Interesting. Something to be discovered and worked out in play, perhaps.

Sure! Perhaps the aura doesn't extend up to the height of whatever tower/structure gets built to accomodate the magi, and it stretches to encompass it. Or as one is taking the bridge that automagically extends itself that the aura encompasses it, but no one's bothered to check. No one needs to check that out.
And maybe the three magi know this, but have been reluctant to build a tower with something along the lines of Conjuring the Mystic tower for fear of "puncturing" the aura. They have a fear of doing too much to disturb it, maybe they have good reason to be fearful...

nods That actually works for me. And since none of the Elder Magi have Conjuring the Mystic Tower (closest they have is Drystan's Cabin of Earthen Wood), they haven't really had much of a chance to experiment, to tinker with the status quo to see how far they can push the envelope.

God, I hope whoever casts Conjuring the Mystic Tower doesn't botch.

In which case there is only one thing for it - time to cast some InVi and map the aura! (My magus has second sight, so has a chance of seeing regio boundaries, but it won't help with auras.)

Well, I do think the originally published AmbLab had a horribly mismatched Base. I think Magi of Hermes just did some solid work at clarifying the generic teleportation guidelines bringing them more inline with the ReCo guidelines. They're still off by a spell magnitude when comparing ReCo and ReTe, but at least they're close, and the ReTe guidelines would require casting requisites to transport non Terram items. I generally don't enforce casting requisites for ReCo and allow what they're wearing/carrying to come with them. If I were to run a low powered saga, I would require casting requisites. In any saga, I would require casting requisites for the Terram guidelines, making it much less effective than ReCo for transporting people.

I know I was slow but I am looking at the following for start of my 75:

2 specialists (12 pts, sheets need to be made
Grog 1: Skill: Bargain 6 as highest (cousin to Siobhan)
Grog 2: Skill: Legermain 6 as highest (nephew)

The Warming hearthstone (12 build points)
Lesser enchanted Device, Hearth stone that keeps the structure that is in warm and comfortable and gives effect of magical heat to any labs in the building which is located.
(ReIg Base 2 +1 touch, +2 sun, +3 Struct = 20 +1 2/day +3 environmental trigger = ReIg 24 total)

((points for this really need to worked on)
Cloch Firinne (20 points as 4 pawns of mentem vis a year)
When Cu Culain was displeased with the failure of the Lia Faile to declare him high king, he took his sword and cleaved the stone. The lia faile has not spoken since. Part of the stone broke off when he did this become the Cloch Firinne or stone of truth. When held and truth is spoken, the stone sheds water like tears. On the four great holidays though: Beltain, Candlemas, Lamas and Samhain, if a painful truth is spoken while holding the stone, the tears shed can be collected and together is worth a pawn of mentem vis.

Cú Chulainn struck the Lia Fáil when it did not cry for Lugaid, and it didn't break off any pieces (the stone still stands today, and is very much solid and whole). It did sing again afterwards, as well.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for pretty much anything.

We are in a game of Mythic Europe and world of legends as much as history.

THe legend by several websites has Cu Culain splitting the stone in half of which half was taken to Scotland to become the scottish coronation stone.

It is easy enough that a small fragment broken off when split in half to become the vis source that I referenced.

Real world history makes it in two places including as the scottish coronation stone that is now in westminster abbey to crown british monarch and yet also still on hill of Tara where there are pictures of it. So it is likely it was split in two.

Legerdain specialist: My first thought was "Wait...what?" Then I remembered that we have the Criminals Boon, and then it made sense again.

The Warming Hearthstone: if the stone is making itself warm (and thus radiating heat), that would be R: Personal (Touch would be if it were making something else warm). Oh...it's making the entire structure warm, not itself. Got it.

The Choch Firinne works for me. Only questions is clarification of a "painful truth" – is it something like "I'm in love with a married man" or "I stole money from my employer and blamed it on another person", something along that line?

So that's 44 points.

Your websites are wrong, as are you yourself.

The legend is from the Book of Invasions, which still survives today, and doesn't deserve to be pissed on.

This whole courtroom is out of order.

smh

Okay, I really don't care whether or not the legends that ladyphoenix found about the Lia Faile and/or the Cloch Firinne are 100% rooted in historical accuracy, or even if they jibe seamlessly with other legends about them. What I do care about is whether it makes for a good story and a good game. In my opinion, it does. If and when Siobhan tells the covenant about the Vis source, I can see a possible story about who has some deep, dark, painful secret that they have to go up to the stone to divulge to make it cry, and people who have these secrets that they want to keep hidden but are torn between pride and duty to the covenant. I'm already thinking about the npcs to see what they have that would qualify.

Also...can we all at least pretend to get along? Makes for a lot more enjoyable experience for everybody...especially me.

I am in love with a married man,
I hid vis for myself that I found rather than turning it in
I had an affair outside my marriage
I stole money from my employer and blamed it on another.

These are all good examples. Siobhan is a good person as custodian of it because she constantly is going around prying out people's secrets to find people to bring before (I am thinking it is about 2"-3" square chunk of stone broken off when Cu Culain smote the lia fail.

It functions to cry when truth is spoken all the time when held but only cries vis on the four major festivals listed.

The legend that Arya is citing only says he smote it with no reference whether pieces broke off or anything else, other sites talk about it being split in half and taken to scotland in 6th century , some talk about it taken whole to scotland and then england and now back in scotland but there is also a stone at Tara that is tourest site that is supposedly the lia fail. Other legends say it never left ireland, never left scotland, was claimed and in knights templar possession and more.

Lebor Gabála Érenn: The Book of Invasions only says this

Which is vague as to the result of the smoting.

Plenty of chances for all sorts of things including a small piece breaking off when Cu Culain smote it.

The Wikipedia entry references several authors and shows picture of the stone as it is labeled for modern tourist site and also the link to the scottish legend.

If the smoting did break off a large chunk 26" across from the stone currently in ireland, that would explain how scottish kings have been crowned on it since 6th century (until taken to england) and yet left the main stone in ireland.

regardless, it makes for a good story in my opinion, a nice vis source with source for RP.

libraryireland.com/Druids/Th ... estiny.php
bydand.orconhosting.net.nz/page6.htm
themodernantiquarian.com/sit ... _fail.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_F%C3%A1il

Actually, I'm going to disagree that Siobhan is a good custodian. Such an item, IMO, is quite problematic, since she gets to profit in multiple ways from the item. First, she acquires vis. Since this is personal build points, that's fine, and I don't have any expectation that I can acquire that vis, the same as anyone having any expectation of acquiring Talia's Herbam, without some sort of agreement/transaction. However, knowing all these secrets, while potentially great for stories, allows Siobhan to profit in vis and in information. My feeling is that such an item should only provide vis if the information isn't acted upon, meaning that someone confesses, and if no one acts on the information, then the next holiday it releases vis, otherwise it doesn't. It forces the Siobhan to make a choice between how she wants to profit from the information.

The key is that it is public declaration of the painful truth. It is not something Siobhan could profit from easily in hiding. Yes, she is likely to have the information regardless because she is that kind of mind prober. The key is which secrets she wants to let out publically for everyone to hear for the stone to bleed.

Siobhan can voice, touch and eye range (and with her intangible tunnel:sight or AC) posing the silent question: What is your deepest secret that does not directly relate to magical research of a member of this covenant? to find people to use with the stone.

Magic items generally don't act over time knowing how the listeners use what they hear.

Personal points maybe but used for good of covenant. Part of paying my way for acceptance.

And how is that not going to make a huge hit to covenfolk loyalty?