Covenant Design Discussion

It depends on what he is doing. Standard lab spaces can be built 2 per season. Those with craft magic enchantments can be built at one per season. If we want one of the initial labs to be Orion's, attached to his tower (go ahead and roll offline for conjuring the tower) then we could easily have Orion's lab and a guest lab done in the first year.
Also yes, a sanctum may have more than one entrance, all doors/entrances must be marked clearly, and it makes it more difficult to defend against either illegal intruders or those intruding during a wizard war. Also all entrances must clearly lead to the same space, to avoid accusations of trying to maintain multiple sanctums. A common example of this is to have a dining area in the sanctum of some of the larger covenants with a separate attached kitchen outside the sanctum which covenfolk can enter from another direction than the primary entrance.

He rolled for it in his 1222 action. I'll repeat the roll here:

Casting Total: 1d10=9+35=44 [-7 Cr vis]

I'm content to let Maximillian have the first real lab if he wants. I'd need the guest lab again to do his LR, but otherwise, I could make it through 1223 without a lab.

So, would it be possible to get a non-standard lab (increased size, auspicious shape) made by taking more time (e.g., taking a whole season for that one lab)? Because if that's the case, Orion would be happy to wait until the other labs are done to get his built, if it could be built to spec.

From the Elections thread:

Just bringing back the topic of how many teachers are needed for the school. It doesn't seem impossible to run the school if it is only Christophoros doing the teaching. Here's a summary of the discussions that took place previously:

There may be a disconnect between what I understood our school to be and what you were thinking. I am having trouble seeing the "old prairie one room schoolhouse" situation work out for the covenant.

My understanding was that we were using the school as a kind of cover for our activities as a covenant at the top of the mountain. If we have so few students that a single teacher can do the job, then how does that justify so many other people living there? Furthermore, a highly-qualified Magister in Artibus like Christophoros would not consider teaching a handful of low-level students or running a school for such -- it is simply a waste of his skills and an insult to a scholar of his level.

Furthermore, as I mentioned above, since he has the Wealthy virtue he does not need to work more than a single season per year. You can't run a school with only 1/4th of a teacher. That was why I was proposing 2 additional full-time teachers, plus some support staff. Because those students would need to live at the school since it is remote from the city. So that means some supporting roles to make sure that the children behave themselves when out of class. Chaperones for the girls, as well as the equivalent for the boys to instill some discipline. Much like a mixed-sex modern boarding school. Even with the servants (cleaning staff) and kitchen staff shared in common with the covenant, that would still mean about half a dozen people working primarily for the school, IMHO.

One last thing to consider is that thew School covenant hook is Major, so its impact should not be pushed aside as a minor thing. Here's the description of the hook from Covenants:

We did cover this, and you made you point clear. I also pointed out that a school flaw does not give bonus build points for teachers. You can try and get magi to teach, or you might pull in workers from the scriptorium to help out, but it would seem to me that one of your first jobs as headmaster is to recruit more teachers, which are not part of the school in spring of 1222. In 1229 they will likely be a more significant voting block.

That's right. My original build proposal had a specialist teacher, but we dropped him to get more points for the library.

I forgot to reply to this earlier.

Yes, Orion has agreed to design a longevity ritual for Christopheros. He wouldn't mind using that as a little leverage to get Anastasia some Classical Greek lessons. If the season you're teaching Gregario is the only time you're teaching Classical Greek, Anastasia will have to hold her nose (maybe literally) and suffer the season with him. But she's a busybody and optimistic. She would be curious about this recluse in the covenant, and would try and look at the bright side of taking a class with him for three months.

I'm not claiming that this gives the covenant more teachers available to teach anyone, just that the school requires some staff to do the job properly. I was reacting to the comment in the elections thread that there wasn't any other teacher working for the school -- and that could thus vote for Christophoros as the covenant representative. I just didn't want to clutter that thread.

Build points are for teachers that the covenant can use. I'm not claiming that they are availble to the covenant in any way -- their full-time job is to the school. But IMO there should be more than just Christophoros taking care of the children of the school. There's just no way he would be enough to run it with 1 season/year.

Well, we've just built the covenant/school. It may be that it takes us a while to build up a proper student body. It may be that in our first year we do only have a half dozen students. Then, as our reputation grows, we gain more, requiring more teachers, etc. That's just one idea ...

But yea, we ought to make recruiting more teachers a top priority.

The longevity ritual was an incentive to come and run the shool for the covenant, so it only gives a little leverage. But Christophoros is amenable to teaching members of the covenant for a season per year, provided sufficient compensation for his time is given to him in exchange for his valuable time. :unamused:

Maybe we can negotiate to get [strike]Cicero[/strike]Zoros help formulate the LR in exchange for a season of teaching Anastasia.

[strike]Cicero[/strike]Zoros is a busy [strike]owl[/strike]otter, don't you know? He has many demands on his time. :stuck_out_tongue:

Depends on how many lab assistants Orion can handle at a time. As a Failed Apprentice, Christophoros can assist as well, although he's not exceptionally good at it (Int+MT of 6).

I thought your familiar was an otter, not an owl. Or am I missing something? Can't find anything about Cicero on the various topics of this saga.

Wrong character. I meant Zoros. Too confused today.

Darn it all. I forgot that particular use of Leadership. I guess Orion's going to be taking in some leadership training sometime in the near future. :blush:

Any time you have an assistant in the lab, you can probably assign the season's exposure xp to Leadership.

No problem. Just saw that he had Int +2 and MT of 6, so he would be better than Christophoros as an assitant. Not that the schoolmaster would easily accept that... :laughing:

Didn't see the advancement for Zoros anywhere. Did you post it?

If that's the case, then I may well start doing that soon. silveroak, Is that a legit exposure experience for lab work when he's directing an assistant?

Then again, maybe I'll spend a few seasons following Gabriel around as he leads the turb. Letting him train me (which I believe he can do even in seasons where he's doing his job) would give me 9 xp/season. Two seasons and I'm up to level 2, and can at least use my apprentice and my familiar at the same time.

He's embedded in the Orion thread somewhere. I should post him to the Important NPCs thread too.

Indeed, I found his final stats in that thread, but not how he got there.

He was bought that way.

In fact, I don't think I ever advanced him for the years he was with Orion.