Enduring Magic Question

[Sir_Swindle1 (Sir_Swindle)]

Enduring Magic says the ST rolls a die in secret. Meaning the player and the character both don't know what the final duration will be.

But CAN they know? It seems I should be able to cast an InVi spell to be able to discover how long a spell will last.

If I were to write it I think it would be the basic detect magic guidelines based on magnitude plus 2 magnitudes to determine when it will expire (I figure 1 magnitude would be able to read what duration setting it was designed at.)

Am I being to harsh/lenient? Should it forever remain a mystery by virtue of the Virtue?

[ironboundtome]

I don’t see anything wrong with a player investing spells to better comprehend their own Hermetic virtue.

[Ghost]

@ironboundtome

I don’t see anything wrong with a player investing spells to better comprehend their own Hermetic virtue.

I agree. With all the other stuff players/characters do to push the limits of magic, I don't see why you couldn't invent spells to peek inside the limits of your other spells to determine duration.

With that said, why not just come up with a breakthrough to take the die roll out of the SG's hands and put it into your own, thereby granting you the ability to know duration all the time without a separate spell?

[ironboundtome]

@Ghost

@ironboundtome

I don’t see anything wrong with a player investing spells to better comprehend their own Hermetic virtue.

I agree. With all the other stuff players/characters do to push the limits of magic, I don't see why you couldn't invent spells to peek inside the limits of your other spells to determine duration.

With that said, why not just come up with a breakthrough to take the die roll out of the SG's hands and put it into your own, thereby granting you the ability to know duration all the time without a separate spell?

A breakthrough is decades of in-character work, an InVi spell is pretty simple.

[Ghost]

@ironboundtome

@Ghost

@ironboundtome

I don’t see anything wrong with a player investing spells to better comprehend their own Hermetic virtue.

I agree. With all the other stuff players/characters do to push the limits of magic, I don't see why you couldn't invent spells to peek inside the limits of your other spells to determine duration.

With that said, why not just come up with a breakthrough to take the die roll out of the SG's hands and put it into your own, thereby granting you the ability to know duration all the time without a separate spell?

A breakthrough is decades of in-character work, an InVi spell is pretty simple.

I can see that it would take time, and the InVi spell is an easier workaround. But decades?

[Ovarwa]

Hi,

Breakthroughs are expensive in time, and they involve experimentation, which can destroy your lab.

For many characters, worth avoiding.

(For me, the real culprit is the virtue itself, adding a die roll. I think it would have been much better as Duration * pick_one( MagicTheory, Philosophiae, AL). Much more interesting and empowering.)

Anyway,

Ken

[ironboundtome]

@Ghost

@ironboundtome

@Ghost

@ironboundtome

I don’t see anything wrong with a player investing spells to better comprehend their own Hermetic virtue.

I agree. With all the other stuff players/characters do to push the limits of magic, I don't see why you couldn't invent spells to peek inside the limits of your other spells to determine duration.

With that said, why not just come up with a breakthrough to take the die roll out of the SG's hands and put it into your own, thereby granting you the ability to know duration all the time without a separate spell?

A breakthrough is decades of in-character work, an InVi spell is pretty simple.

I can see that it would take time, and the InVi spell is an easier workaround. But decades?

I've never played out a breakthrough in-game and writing from memory (which isn't a strength), however the timeframes implied by the books for even a minor breakthrough is a decade, a major is a lot more, and a magus might only achieve a hermetic breakthrough once. The rolls needed, and the seasons expended imply to me that 1-2 decades is a reasonable timeframe for a minor breakthrough given the character will also be a character in the game.
Take it all with a grain of salt.