further reading

I'm no historian, I base my ideas of life in the Ars period on what I see in tv episodes of Robin Hood..

But I want to know more, I'd like to do a little further reading, and wondered if anyone can suggest anything I could look at on the period (our game is set slightly earlier than usual and we're currently in 1080).

I'd never be able to force myself to read through reference or history books, what I really want is some fiction set in 'ye olden days', and if there's anything with a slight magic twist on history (Ars style) then all the better..

Any suggestions?

While hardly historical, I am currently finishing up reading The Prince of Nothing trilogy. I find it highly entertaining. It basically tells a story with clear parallels to the first crusade. The "men of the tusk" proceed from a Constantinople-like city to fight the Arab-like heathen to recapture the holy Jerusalem-like city.

In ArM terms, the main (anti)hero is a Mythic Companion, whose mastery of reading human nature and manipulating others, plus his complete mastery over his body, allows him to gradually take control of the crusade and manipulate himself into a messianic figure. The main secondary character is an Hermetic magus, except in this world the Order is confined to a single "House" devoted to battle the Infernal's schemes to bring about the apocalypse. As the story unfolds this secondary hero realizes that the ancient prophecies of the apocalypse are manifesting, and that the main hero is the figure that will save the world from doom.

The analogy is hardly precise. The main difference seems to be that the wizards are vulnerable to "tears of god", a type of rare "antimagic" stone that kills them on touch and provides magic immunity to mundanes that hold it, and that the Gift seems a bit diminished by ArM5 standards. (I can't remember any magic items too.) But still, I think the book presents an interesting ideas on what an epic, slightly low-magic, fantasy-style adventure for Ars Magica could be like. Besides, it's a good read.

Perhaps not what you were looking for, but I thought it's worth mentioning.

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I was going to suggest Baudolino by Uberto Eco but I'd rate Eco as leisure reading in the same way as I rate competitive orienteering as a leisure time activity. Sure you're doing it for fun but it is anything but leisurely.

Perhaps the Brother Cadfile mysteries might be a good read (I've only watched the TV series, I can't comment on the books)

I recently read my wife's old medieval history textbook: Medieval Europe: A Short History by Holister and (someone else) it actually was a really pleasant read. Getting a large scale view of medieval history was quite refreshing after years of only detailed tidbit stuff that I got from other history books and Ars Magica. I just checked on Amazon and saw that you can get a used copy for fewer than three bucks (+ shipping).

Of course, the movie The Name of the Rose is great. Probably less good and certainly less detailed than the book - I wouldn't know, I threw the book in disgust after a few pages.

Edit: Oh, The Sarantine Mosaic duology by Guy Gavriel Kay is another historically-inspired novel, but alas taking place in a parallel to the 6th century Byzantine Empire... :frowning: Still, I found it inspiring in setting a tone for pagan worship an commoners' life on one hand and Church/city politics on the other.

I think historical fiction is a great way to get more up to speed on the medieval setting without too much effort.

Here be Dragons by Sharon Kay Penman is a good read, a historical novel about Llewelyn ab Iowerth, Prince of Wales (early 13th century).

In addition to modern fiction, you might find medieval "romances" (fantasy epics) worthwile. Le Morte D'Arthur (Sir Thomas Malory) might offer some inspiration for your game, though I recommend an abridged edition (the unabridged is rather longwinded).

If you prefer movies you can watch some of the good versions of the classics: Ivanhoe (Norman chivalry) imdb.com/title/tt0118354/,
midsummer's nights dream (fae) - don't know which version is best

The Golem imdb.com/title/tt0004026/
which I have never seen but heard good things about

Dragonslayer imdb.com/title/tt0082288/
Which has one of the most hermetic views of magi, but no order, an apprentice out for the first time

Any other recommendations?

Showtime had a series about Ivanhoe and King Richard called Dark Knight, or Darkest Knight, or something like that. It is cancelled now, but I believe it is available on DVD. Mybe a bit more fantasy than typical Ars, but is set in the "real" world, as opposed to a fantasy land.

I also like movies like Ladyhawk. A little bit of magic. A little bit of corruption in the Church.

For pure fiction, you may consider the Deryni series by Katherine Kurtz. Doesn't take place in the "real" world, but the land she created has a lot of similarities: feudasl society, overpowering church, sorcerors (the Daryni) that are feared by society, etc. There is even a seperate book that explains the nature of Daryni magic.

Not a lot of simularities with Hermetic magic, though they do have a ritualised form of magical combat that may be considered similar to Certamen.

There is also the Earthsea books by Ursula Le Guin. A lot of focus on magic, though it is not too over the top. I don't really like the series, but it is okay.

Here's a second for the Deryni books, very good view of a "mythic" Europe (even though it's not exactly europe).

I really liked The Skystone (A Dream of Eagles, Book 1) by Jack Whyte, and its "low fantasy" approach to Arthur and Merlin.

The "Magician" novels by Raymond Feist are good (though I prefer the "Daughter of the Empire" novels by Janny Wertz that "Magician" inspired).

Oh, and as for movies, "The Court Jester" is the most realistic medieval movie, ever. Well, maybe not, but it's a hoot. I loved "Name of the Rose" and "Dragonslayer", too. You could do worse than "Excalibur", "Lady Hawke", "Willow", "The Princess Bride", and "Becket".

For movies I'd definately recomed the Lion in Winter. City of God iwasn't as bad asall that either.

The Lion in Winter (1968)
The Lion in Winter (2003)

My preference is the 1968 version ,
but Patrick Stewart is always good.

What a treasure trove of goodies already. I think that fiction is a great source of inspiration for Ars, no matter their various faults or flaws, but because they often in a manner not fitting in academic literature can make another time and place come alive and spark the imagination to make some interesting Ars sessions.

Books:
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Umberto Eco - I would also recomend him but also agree that it might take some effort and determination.

Ken Follet "The pillars of The Earth": I do not know how they do it, but authors within the spy thriller genre each once in a while write a single but very often succesful historic novel.

Jan Gillou's Crusader Thrilogy about Arn Magnusson has been one of my all time favorites.

Iain Pears "An Instance of the Fingerpost" - rennaisance England at the time of Hobbes and the Lord Protector. Out of period but a great and inspiring read!

Jeanne Kalogridis "The Burning Times"

Brother Cadfile mysteries - have one of them. It is alright.

The Golem - actually exists as a book, I bought it in Prague and is planning a character somewhat based on it. I think the book might be less Hollywood'ized then the old film.

Earthsea - I loved those but really can't remember them. Should reread them.

The endless volumes of medieval romances and folk stories. You can find many books with collections of those.

Films:

Robin the Hooded man - I loved that TV series as a child, but reseeing it have been one of my greatest disappointments (but having great fun doing so).

Lion in Winter - great film (and great music too!)

Last Valley - a bit harrowing but inspiring even if out of period (but awesome music too!)

The Storyteller - a Jim Henson TV series is nice inspiration on the mythical.

Lady Hawke - what a charm. And one of few films that don't disappoint on a review many years later.

Henry V - "O for a muse of fire...." Chorus' intro alone makes it worthwhile.

Kingdom of Heaven extended version (Run away as fast as you can from the cinema version!)

If you don't mind moving toward non-fiction I would especially recomend two books, and they are not heavy reading either:

Danzinger & Gillingham "1215: The Year of The Magna Carta" which gives a comprehensive tour of medieval England. The time apart from your campaign might not matter as much as the fact that England in some significant ways had some differences from continental Europe. But easily digested and inspiring.

Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie "Montaillou" - even if about a people who in their time where seen as heretics and deviants it is a remarkable detailed insight into daily life and the thoughts of ordinary people. The author is a French historian who focused on history seen from "below" - the ordinary people - rather than from above and what the kings and lords did. This book has a somewhat grim background. The information is based on very detailed reports taken by the inquisition during the time of the Cathar Heresy. One of the reasons that these documents survived may have been because the interogator later moved on to become Pope, and the documents followed him there and was stored at the Vatican.

Oooh... must see... I did not know the made a remake!

He sure is - many of my favorite actors are those with a background from Shakespearan plays such as Patrick Steward.

I'll second that. I was surprised to find myself really liking this book.

Loved them as a child. Rereading them, I found them childish.

I'll second that too. Marvelous series.

That's actually good?!

I would also recommend
Thierry la Fronde
Last time i checked , this series was available on DVD in French.
Not being a speaker of such ,
i was unable to determine if there was an english subtitle option.
Thierry la Fronde

Arthur of the Britons
No mysticism in this one , but sadly unavailable on DVD.

Maid Marian and her Merry Men
Quite amusing , and Tony Robinson (Baldric from BlackAdder) is entertaining as always.

Fiction:

  • Angela Carter. "The Bloody Chamber" particularly, but "Come Unto These Yellow Sands" is good too. Note: contains no magi.

  • Italo Calvino: just about anything he's ever done. "Italian Fairytales" is great. "Invisible Cities" is fun too. Also contains no magi.

Non-fiction:

"Rise and Fall of the House of Medici" and "The Pastons" by The Folio Society.

Although I haven't taken to reading anything else from his hand. He is apparantly now in the middle of writing a "sequel" of sorts. Which will take place in the same location but centuries later. But it does amaze me how some thriller authers have the charateristic of making on odd book about history and doing a great job with it. The same goes for Jan Gillou, I mentioned his awesome Crusade Trilogy above, who is a Swedish auther mostly famous for his long series of thriller book about the agent Hamilton (aka the Swedish Bond) that have also been put to film.

I think I will let them rest then. And let it stay untouched and unspoiled with a bunch of other untouchable memories.

"When people told themselves their past with stories, explained their present with stories, foretold the future with stories, the best place by the fire was kept for the storyteller."
Sure was - I was so thrilled to find them rereleased on dvd. John Hurt is still a charm and the quality is actually still great and the effects not as silly as one could have feared 18 years later. But the 2. season with the episodes about classic Greek myths is not as good (the Deadalus-episode with Derek Jacobi was very fine though).

This has been discussed elsewhere on the Forum. It is really a matter of taste. I really like it. Many films using a historical backdrop to their story often, for more or less obvious reasons, compromise autencity to tell their stories. The original version seemed dull and indifferent to me, and the story didnt capture me and came across as an excuse to make swordfights, CGI-battles and use a very popular teen star (Orlanda Bloom) to get people to the box offices. BUT, the extended version (which I think must have been Scott's original vision) with the extra hour added, the story is not just longer, significant things in the plot are completely different and the characters more convincing. And if you listen very closely to the dialogue, even in the otherwise unchanged scenes, you will see that it is far less political correct. I think a movie about the crusades can be very controversial, but in the extended version he more fully dares to shows extremism on both sides of the conflict. I invite anyone to see it and at least give it a second change, and then judge for themselves whether the like it.

Seriously, this guy rocks. His last few books are not great: to me they seem like published drafts. They are half the length of his other books and light on the asides and detaikl that are in his earlier works. He was Scotsman of the Year one year for his books, which basically are novels set in Scottish history. He has written so many that he takes you from the Arthurian Age right up to the Union of Crowqns (with some gaps).

Sounds very appealing, but of whom do you speak?

Angela Carter or Italo Calvino you mentioned before? None of them sounded like scottish men so I figured it might be someone else... :unamused:

Nigel Tranter, I guess, from the post subject. Which is not displayed particularly prominently.