Hi, name is Jehan, and I'm a Diedne Tremere...

[Aurelius]

Tsk. If I were the SG there's no way I'd ever allow Diedne-descended magi in House Tremere, not even as NPCs. But seeing as it's happened...

First of all, good points have been made about a Dark Secret not being an automatic PC death sentence. But in this case I think the chances of getting killed should be very high. Having said that...

House Tremere is going to look fairly feeble and ridiculous if it emerges that it has a Diedne lineage hiding in its ranks. Certain senior Tremere magi with very pragmatic attitudes (pick them very carefully) might just be open to the idea of keeping the whole thing very quiet if you share the secrets of your Diedne heritage exclusively with them.

On the other hand, it's not just House Tremere who'll have it in for you. Most of House Flambeau will be out for your blood as well, and so will plenty of other Christian magi who see the eradication of a gang of bloodthirsty pagans as A Good Thing. Nevertheless, if you haven't broken any laws there isn't much a Tribunal can do to you. Just watch out for hundreds of magi wanting to declare Wizard Wars against you.

[Marko_Markoko]

@JadeFox

...hey, that could work. :mrgreen:

The only problem is, what happens if someone demands to see my research notes and, of course, I don't have anything? Could I reasonably say I didn't keep copies? Pass them off other spell fomulae and shout that they don't understand my genius when it doesn't give them breakthrough points?

Lab fire. Those nasty Berbers/Trolls/Mongols set everything on fire when they attacked. You killed them all of course, and you can still teach your "new" Virtue as a Mystery I do believe.

[Timothy_Ferguson]

[quote="Aurelius"]

House Tremere is going to look fairly feeble and ridiculous if it emerges that it has a Diedne lineage hiding in its ranks.
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Twist: they already know. A good quarter of the House is trained in techniques stolen during the Schism.

They just want to see what you do now that -you- know, before they tell you about everyone else.

[Fhtagn]

@JadeFox

The only problem is, what happens if someone demands to see my research notes and, of course, I don't have anything? Could I reasonably say I didn't keep copies? Pass them off other spell fomulae and shout that they don't understand my genius when it doesn't give them breakthrough points?

Well, you can certainly research an ability you have since that's the necessary step to change a mystery virtue/twilight gained virtue into a teachable virtue. That'll generate huge quantities of lab-texts, and make you a hero of the Order and gain a crapload of prestige for the Tremere. The "early notes", in which you adapt your ::cough:: Twilight-gained insight ::cough:: into something to research were clearly lost in the labfire when you tried to use a failed research direction and sponted a huge fire-ball. Fortunately, the bulk were saved.

And, of course, once you've accrued enough lab-texts to show that your research is going places, you can make requests of Durenmar and the Tremere stores for Diedne artifacts for study to help, thus being true to your house and your lineage.

[Henricus]

Since this is about spontanious magic, you have numerous breaktroughs that were not breakthroughs, but just luck. And, you will have to research all sorts of magic, including creo ignem and perdo animal

[The_Fixer]

@Birbin again

BUT they will supress your story because discovering Diednes were innocent in human sacrifice would cause a big reputation loss for the Tremere.

The fact that his character, or even his pater, doesn't do human sacrifices doesn't mean the diedne, or at least some diedne, didn't practice it

[DIREWOLF75]

@Timothy Ferguson

@JadeFox

Your idea intrigues me. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Is there any way I can realistically fake this, or would I have to actually do the research for an ability I already have?

That's actually a little bit brilliant.

Given that one way you can earn insight is by travel to Ancient Magic type places, just go on a long vacation in Africa, blow the heck out of an insignificant mountain, and come back with Secrets that were guarded by Terrible Wards. Or Ireland, or China. Basically go sun yourself on a rock for a few years and..viola!

Better still, use the time for some REAL research into something else. Become famous as the magi who did TWO sets of bigscale research.

Twist: they already know. A good quarter of the House is trained in techniques stolen during the Schism.

They just want to see what you do now that -you- know, before they tell you about everyone else.

Now that IS one serious twist!

[David_Chart]

@DIREWOLF75

@Timothy Ferguson

@JadeFox

Your idea intrigues me. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Is there any way I can realistically fake this, or would I have to actually do the research for an ability I already have?

That's actually a little bit brilliant.

Given that one way you can earn insight is by travel to Ancient Magic type places, just go on a long vacation in Africa, blow the heck out of an insignificant mountain, and come back with Secrets that were guarded by Terrible Wards. Or Ireland, or China. Basically go sun yourself on a rock for a few years and..viola!

Better still, use the time for some REAL research into something else. Become famous as the magi who did TWO sets of bigscale research.

That is a good scheme. It's also entirely in the spirit of the Flaw; it's going to generate lots of stories that the character couldn't avoid.

[jebrick]

@Aurelius

Tsk. If I were the SG there's no way I'd ever allow Diedne-descended magi in House Tremere, not even as NPCs. But seeing as it's happened...

First of all, good points have been made about a Dark Secret not being an automatic PC death sentence. But in this case I think the chances of getting killed should be very high. Having said that...

House Tremere is going to look fairly feeble and ridiculous if it emerges that it has a Diedne lineage hiding in its ranks. Certain senior Tremere magi with very pragmatic attitudes (pick them very carefully) might just be open to the idea of keeping the whole thing very quiet if you share the secrets of your Diedne heritage exclusively with them.

Unless the Tremere are the real Diedne and they "destroyed" the diabolists. You might have uncovered a greater house secret