How strong is a giant?

[temprobe]

I don't recall anything stating that a human with Magic Might is bound by the attribute limits of +5 that applies to a normal human? Giants are magic humans, after all, and there are giants with higher Strength for sure.

[ezzelino]

@The_Fixer

I'm also in favour of dropping the 7 points to spend on attributes at chargen, so that realistic human average is also 0

But it is! By ArM5 mechanics children and the elderly have lower characteristics than adults "at their peak", so the latter are somewhat above human average.

[ezzelino]

@The_Fixer

As seen above, Str + 5 is the limit for a realistic mundane human.
I see no particular reason for it to be the limit for a mythic mundane human instead of, say, +6 or +7

As others noted, if you are talking about a magic human, i.e. one with Might, there's no limit to how high characteristics can go (though it's expensive: each +1 above the mundane max is a Major Quality) -- see RoP:M p.38.

@The_Fixer

Also, what you describe is not strength. It is just lifting power, and it wouldn't work as you say (unless, in your game, you could use the Unseen Porter for this. YMMV)
You can't use it to throw a thing (Once you cease touching a thing, it just drops to the ground), use a heavy weapon, manage your encumbrance or do extra damage while punching.
The only way you can compare it to Strength is when asking "can I lift that thing?".

As I said, the basic version allows you to lift and carry.
Swinging a held object with Rego, or tossing something (note that you can toss something with magic without it falling to the ground) are two related powers, that are not really priced by equivalent strength but by "result", i.e. how much damage they do. I was saying that as a SG I'd allow a "versatile" power that combines the three, priced at the cost of the most expensive plus 1 (or maybe 2) magnitudes for flexibility.

@The_Fixer

In fact, you could have such a power coupled with Str -5.

Sure! That would be an impossibly strong character made incredibly weak by anything shutting off his power.

@The_Fixer

To toss some examples, just for fun.

• Let's say, I create a magic human (companion in a medium campain). A russian made of living steel, going by the name Kolossoi. I put 8 qualities for Soak + 16, and 2 for +6 damage while punching with his steel fists, which are NOT resisted by MR. No problem here, and nothing really unbalancing. But if I want him to have a normal size, yet a Strength above that of a realistic mundane human? I can't, that's far too fantastical.

You can just take the Major Quality Improved Characteristic (RoP:M p.38) repeatedly after hitting +5.

@The_Fixer

EDIT: In fact, for minimal changes to the system, I'd have gone with something like:

1. Average stat 0
2. Max for normal human: +3
3. Utter max for humans: +4 (like one of the best in the world)
4. Only possible in fantasy and myth: +5
   This also allows more breadth of concepts, but, well, that's not what we have.

I like that!