Item effects and modifiers vs Warping

[Brutus]

Hi All,
something which came up in our group last month was at what level magic item effects warp people.

If I have a device with a CrMe 25 Weight of a Thousand Hells with no penetration and 1 use per day it does not cause warping when it affects someone.

However, if I use the Enchanted Device rules and add modifiers such as unlimited uses per day (+10) does it now cause warping?

The overall effect level is 35, but the actual magical effect is only 25.

If it doesn't (as uses is a device thingy, not the spell itself), does adding 20 Penetration (costs +10 levels) make it warp?

I thought it would, as it is the overall modified score which represents the power being used.

[Jonathan.Link]

I think that the consensus is that the effect needs to be 30th level, and that levels and magnitudes necessary to put it into the device from things like uses per day or penetration do not cause the effect to warp.

[Tugdual]

The level of the effect is the equivalent of its spell level. You should confirm your effect level with the storyguide. Note the starting level of the effect, for future reference.

That is what Jonathan must be refering to. The consensus is that Penetration and other effect modifications have no impact on the casted spell magnitude.

[Erik_Tyrrell]

Hi All,
something which came up in our group last month was at what level magic item effects warp people.

If I have a device with a CrMe 25 Weight of a Thousand Hells with no penetration and 1 use per day it does not cause warping when it affects someone.

However, if I use the Enchanted Device rules and add modifiers such as unlimited uses per day (+10) does it now cause warping?

Legends of Hermes p.112

Modifications to the level of an effect - including Penetrations, effect frequency, environmental trigger, linked trigger, and effect use - are not used to determine whether or not an effect causes warping to its target through the power of the magical effect.

[callen]

As Erik said.

Correction to an earlier post: the cut-off is level 26, not level 30. Level 25 and lower are not powerful while level 26 and higher are powerful.

Chris