Does the layout of tample 3 work for creating one +2 size lab and a nice large sanctum? If so, Tomas would probably prefer to take that, if noone objects to that as conspicuous consumption? He expects to need the space when he has guests for whom he is making longevity potions.
[tab][/tab] Maffeo isn't picky, anything above ground is fine. In fact don't rush it, he has things to do before starting a lab
Paphos would like half of temple 1, with statue, but without the crematorium. Is that possible?
Tartessos would like an above ground one, preferably with a two story grand entrance and living quarters above the lab (grand entrance would front both). Because this is unrealistic in the short term, he'll make do with a caravan lab for the time being.
You could use 1/2 of temple 1 as a size+1 lab, with the other half the space as living quarters etc.
The entirety of temple 1 is permeated with the effects of the crematorium, even if it is removed the supernatural 'touch' of it will remain, it was apparently used in many rituals in ages past.
Well, I don't think Paphos wants the crematorium influencing his future artwork, nor the CrCo (presumed fertility?). Does the aura extend between the temples, and could he use some space there for a workshop? If not he'll bite the bullet and use 1500 sq ft of Temple 2.
It does, but the temples are pretty close together, the exception being Temple 4 which doesn't really stand anymore, and there is a 'dogleg' section where there are no temples at all, which does not need to be excavated, but certainly can be for more basement space, though it does not seem that basements are in high demand, and extra excavations to that extent might make construction more difficult- I'm assuming nobody is proposing building a single building that covers the entire aura...
175 feel by 275 feet is a heck of a foundation area for a single building
The foundation does not cover the whole area, only the rear of the building extends into the aura, at least the front 2/3 is outside the aura. I suppose we would need to do something to avoid having the temple roofs collapse if they are out from under the covenant proper. I'll think on that, but it could be as easy as excavating, building a roof and re-burying.
If it ends up that noone else wants any of the crematorium building, Euthymios would be willing to use it, at least until such time as we end up constructing new structures that might be more suited for his lab, given he's neither a Terram nor Ignem specialist really. Also the rest of you may not actually want him doing experiments down there and potentially messing up what might provide insight into some kind of ancient magic. But he probably won't have time to do much lab work for at least a few seasons, so it's probably not that important right now.
The aura area is 48,125 sq ft. If that is 1/3 of the building that would be 144,375 sq ft per floor, which means the building you are talking about is about 3.3 acres. I would expect an aura that size to contain multiple buildings, not be contained within one.
I have found a ground floor plan for an existing manor house which is 97' by 57', or 5529 sq ft (per floor), 8 of those could fit comfortably within the aura, or 6 fully within and 6 with 2/3 protruding out of the aura. Unlike the temples I would expect these to be 2-4 story buildings.. the guidelines in coveneants suggest this would hold 10 points of inhabitants, so either 2 magi or 1 magus plus 5 points of support staff...
well, my inspiration building (Saint Mary's Church, also called Rotunda of Mosta) is 180x246, which gives me about 44k ft square, which number crunching would fit about 85 people; significantly less if a hospital is shoehorned in. It is a two story building, so 90k ft sq. That sounds about right to cover our eventual expansion and still have room left for a hospital. It is built mostly outside the aura, and most of the aura is not covered by it. One of my previous posts theorized that using non covered temples would require excavating, building a roof and re-burying. We are not foundationing over, or even currently using much of the surface area inside the aura.
So we are talking a large church or stupendous sized manor house- in either case 100 pounds, which means with your current resources it would take about 5 years to build. It would house about 100 points of inhabitants, while the entire covenant right now is roughly 58 points, including 6 points of teamsters who do not need housing...
Moving the lab construction stuff from Mass Castings to this thread.
Where we currently are:
4 underground temples, detailed in the Calculations thread, These come with Auspicious Shape, Superior Construction, Subterranean, and the virtues/flaws listed individually for each. The first three were excavated and made available for use in Summer 1220. They should be ready to move in and start setting up the lab. The fourth requires rebuilding which Antonius is currently working on.
In addition we are building a two story lab building inside the aura, above the subterranean temples. Paphos and company will have 1650 ft sq finished by the end of Fall 1220. Maffeo has been very patient and thus I feel he should have first priority to space. The design called for three 2000 ft sq lab/sanctum combos on the ground floor, therefore the first one is not finished yet. Give it another season, I think before Lab setup can be done.
Lastly, we have an undefined number of "mobile" labs from the caravan; presumably the equipment to set up our new labs will come from these. Tartessos is currently using one of these as an interim lab.
Magi in order of Hermetic Seniority:
Talus: Unclaimed
Antonius: Temple 4 (all), needs rebuilding
Tartessos: currently using mobile. 2nd in queue for above ground permanent lab
Terra: Unclaimed
Tomas: Temple 3 (all 1225 ft sq) should be ready for lab set up
Frederick: Unclaimed, Temple 1 might be a good fit, or he can be third for a new one.
Euthymios: Temple 1 (undetermined amount; 1500 ft sq would be 1/2 and make a +5 size lab)
Maffeo: first in queue for above ground
Paphos: Temple 2 (1500 ft sq for +5 size, currently set up as a Workshop, but also ready to set up as Lab)
During set up you will need to define amount dedicated to lab and amount dedicated to Sanctum (if any).
currently available and ready for move in:
Temple 1 (presumably half, 1500 ft sq, for up to a +5 size. Come with Crematorium, Satue and Wall Decorations, adds +2 Ignem and +1 Warping)
Temple 2 (1750 ft sq avail, up to +5 size, comes with Wall Decorations adding +3 Creo Corpus)
Udetermined amount of mobile labs
Thanks for summarizing this. When Tomas sees the others, he will ask for concurrence on one aspect of his plans.
"I will be getting my lab set up in the winter. Whole I could eventually use some assistance in setting up proper protections, that can wait. I propose to ask David, when he gets back, to spread the word that I am available to provide longevity ritual, at roughly the usual prices if the magus is willing to come to me. Does anyone see any problem with that?"
(And what is the usual price for a longevity potion of this quality (better than +20.))
Talus (once he is officially invited to join the covenant) has a spell to summon a stone building (like Conjuring the Mystic Tower only its a manor not a tower). He can conjure his own sanctum/lab if that's agreeable.
He is welcome to provided:
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He does not mortally offend Penko with the "heinous" architecture. Or he doesn't care that Penko is Wrathful which honestly is not much of an obstacle for magi. I bet a few minutes of rego-ing by Talus and Tartessos could put a facade on whatever you conjure that would match the rest of the building.
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He does not mind having "mere" superior construction rather than the legendary Excellent +3 that Paphos provides. Admittedly, getting a Paphos-made lab is quite the bottleneck and will not be happening anytime soon.
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He doesn't mind being slightly isolated from the rest of the covenant, which is in two connected buildings.
Talus has a pretty darn good Finesse. He should be able to match any particular desired architecture with the spell.
What is the effect of Excellent construction as compared to superior construction?
It sounded like it might be a while before some of those labs would be set up. Then again, if no one claims Temple 2, that's an option.
We have not yet defined excellent construction, although I'm pretty sure Silveroak has something - he mentioned an as yet unpublished article that he is drawing upon. Per City/Guild, Paphos' skill 21 adds a +3 to use, which is a nice, but currently undefined bonus.
Actually due to his magical virtue, he gets to add the aura to that 21 workshop total, which means +6, essentially it depends on what structural options you put on the lab, but with his magic theory that can include things like auspicious shape.so if you have a 1000 sq ft lab (+3 size) with auspicious shape and well insulated, the effects of these virtues and superior construction would be multiplied by 6: auspicious shape would give +6 aesthetics and +6 vim, well insulated will give +6 safety and +6 aesthetics, and superior construction will give +6 safety and +6 aesthetics for a final total of +6 vim, +12 safety and +18 aesthetics. The safety however is ablative- enough lab disasters can wear it down requiring special maintenance from a sufficiently qualified mason (and if there is anyone besides Paphos they aren't raising their hand, certainly not in Malta) to prevent degradation.
Hum, that seems a lot for minor lab virtues and possible game-breaking.
I mean, conjuring the mystic tower from the realm of pure forms, still gives superior construction (+1/+1) and thechnically anything coming out of the magical realm is equivalent to a craftman with infinite skill (unless I am mistaken).
For instance the insulation will be six time better if Paphos work in a lab; there will still be windows and stuff like this where sound will be able to propagate easily. And except for an hypercube, I dont see which form can be attuned to magic enough to give the equivalent of two greater features.
Maybe it would be a good idea to have some kind of diminishing return on that, double instead of x6, would still be very good.
Also, would Paphos need to craft all the lab for his virtues to work ? I mean otherwise he would travel around the order making mega-lab and getting super wealthy in the process?
yah, I think I agree. It's tempting, but just too much.
First, C&G only has working in an aura as +1, not +aura strength, so I think we are still discussing a +3 level, not a +6. Paphos has Hermetic Inclination by (Form), which only adds aura when making magic items (and 1/5 aura when making art). I don't think it adds anything beyond the basic +1 for aura.
It would be a lot simpler to just let the mage add (or subtract) 3 points from lab characteristics. Besides being simpler, this would also allow them to modify difficult characteristics, such as warping or health. Or they could go for a straight up +3 GQ.
If you wish to use the multiplicative mechanism, I would suggest choosing a single virtue to which apply it.
I do like the ablative effect requiring maintenance. I'd like to keep that idea.