Library Discussion

[MTKnife]

@callen

@MTKnife

It's going to be less than 100, because it depends partly on donations. The magi can have some input on the nature of those donations, though, esp. Portia.

And there's a decent chance some of the ones off my list will be donated, especially the lab texts for healing, which would cut down on the numbers pretty well. I was just starting with the estimate of 100 because we were looking at nearly 700 points, so well over 100 apiece, and because I hadn't heard a benchmark to use. I just wanted to make some progress. I expect to edit it.

Salutor asked I think for each magus to have one book he would bring with him, though I think two Tractatus wold be a fair substitute for one Summa.

Scott

[callen]

@MTKnife

Salutor asked I think for each magus to have one book he would bring with him, though I think two Tractatus wold be a fair substitute for one Summa.

I'll do whatever. If I'm bringing fewer books, I'll just cut from what I wrote above. How's this look?

Insights into Insight (Q12 Intellego tractatus)
*Domination of the Magi (Q 10 Rego tractatus)

*Seven-League Stride [ReCo30]
*Leap of Homecoming [ReCo35]
Maintaining the Demanding Spell [ReVi50]

Chris

[MTKnife]

@callen

@MTKnife

Salutor asked I think for each magus to have one book he would bring with him, though I think two Tractatus wold be a fair substitute for one Summa.

I'll do whatever. If I'm bringing fewer books, I'll just cut from what I wrote above. How's this look?

Insights into Insight (Q12 Intellego tractatus)
*Domination of the Magi (Q 10 Rego tractatus)

*Seven-League Stride [ReCo30]
*Leap of Homecoming [ReCo35]
Maintaining the Demanding Spell [ReVi50]

It looks useful enough for me. What else would you like to see?

Scott

[callen]

The healing spells listed above could be useful. We don't seem to have much. Once we have labs Tasia can become the resident magical healer since she can master the rituals quickly.

Chris

[MTKnife]

@callen

The healing spells listed above could be useful. We don't seem to have much. Once we have labs Tasia can become the resident magical healer since she can master the rituals quickly.

Let me add what Viola would like to see: as I said before, she favors Arts books (all the Techniques except Perdo, and Animal, Herbam, Imaginem, and maybe Vim for Forms), and also would really like some Magic Theory books useful for someone who already has a score of 7 in MT.

Scott

[Arya]

How do books we've authored fit in? I spent two leftover seasons on authoring Magic Theory tractatus, and I'd hope we wouldn't have to spend bps on them!

Portia wants to see lots of tractatus on theory, and at least one or two texts on artes liberales, and philosophiae. No primers, as "...there shouldn't be any incompetent magi residing here, and vagrants can't be choosers."

[MTKnife]

@Arya

How do books we've authored fit in? I spent two leftover seasons on authoring Magic Theory tractatus, and I'd hope we wouldn't have to spend bps on them!

Portia wants to see lots of tractatus on theory, and at least one or two texts on artes liberales, and philosophiae. No primers, as "...there shouldn't be any incompetent magi residing here, and vagrants can't be choosers."

If you spent seasons of work on it, it doesn't count against Build Points.

Scott

[MTKnife]

I've just been re-reading the Covenants books rules, and I was curious if we're using them. The reason I was asking is that the bonuses to Quality (esp. the automatic +3 to books on non-magical subjects) and the Correspondence rules would affect not only the library but character creation (and it annoys me when add-on rules do that. ).

Scott

[callen]

@MTKnife

The reason I was asking is that the bonuses to Quality (esp. the automatic +3 to books on non-magical subjects) ... would affect not only the library...

I think you've misread it slightly. Non-magical books get no bonus over what they had before. It used to be Com+6. Now it's Com+3+1+1+1, assuming you have good enough binders, scribes, and illuminators. Books on magic, however, can get a bonus via resonances. They used to be Com+6, but now they're Com+3+1+1+1+(up to 3 from resonances). (See the errata.) For their price I have found 1-pt resonances seem to be reasonably common, but anything beyond that gets extremely rare.

As for Correspondence, we use it in all my pen-and-paper games. It hadn't looked like anyone was using it here, so I just assumed we weren't. I'm happy with it being included, too. My rule of thumb would be you have to sketch out any magi with whom you correspond regularly. That way you are being rewarded for adding to the detail of the stories and the world.

Chris

[Salutor]

@MTKnife

I've just been re-reading the Covenants books rules, and I was curious if we're using them. The reason I was asking is that the bonuses to Quality (esp. the automatic +3 to books on non-magical subjects) and the Correspondence rules would affect not only the library but character creation (and it annoys me when add-on rules do that. ).

Scott

I've not been explicitly using the Covenants rules when creating books for the library (Which I am still working on, despite the paucity of material currently posted. I'll try to get another block posted in a day or two). I'm afraid my levels of creatively have been struggling at creating dozens of different titles and magi names; trying to come up with resonances as well isn't seeming worth it. I've just been listing the books as quality X; if people later decide we're using the Covenants rules, then presumably some of that X is from the covenants bonuses.

[MTKnife]

@callen

@MTKnife

The reason I was asking is that the bonuses to Quality (esp. the automatic +3 to books on non-magical subjects) ... would affect not only the library...

I think you've misread it slightly. Non-magical books get no bonus over what they had before. It used to be Com+6. Now it's Com+3+1+1+1, assuming you have good enough binders, scribes, and illuminators. Books on magic, however, can get a bonus via resonances. They used to be Com+6, but now they're Com+3+1+1+1+(up to 3 from resonances). (See the errata.) For their price I have found 1-pt resonances seem to be reasonably common, but anything beyond that gets extremely rare.

Yes, at first I thought that was a possible interpretation, but have a look at the sidebar on the page in question (I'd be more specific, but I think I left the book in another room, and I have two sleeping animals in my lap).

As for Correspondence, we use it in all my pen-and-paper games. It hadn't looked like anyone was using it here, so I just assumed we weren't. I'm happy with it being included, too. My rule of thumb would be you have to sketch out any magi with whom you correspond regularly. That way you are being rewarded for adding to the detail of the stories and the world.

I agree it's appealing, and its effect on total XP's per season is pretty minimal, but we'll only do it if everyone is OK with going back adding those XP's to their characters. (It's pretty hard to believe a magus would not do it, barring constant travel or extreme anti-social tendencies.)

Scott

[MTKnife]

@Salutor

I've not been explicitly using the Covenants rules when creating books for the library (Which I am still working on, despite the paucity of material currently posted. I'll try to get another block posted in a day or two). I'm afraid my levels of creatively have been struggling at creating dozens of different titles and magi names; trying to come up with resonances as well isn't seeming worth it. I've just been listing the books as quality X; if people later decide we're using the Covenants rules, then presumably some of that X is from the covenants bonuses.

You want me to email you lists from old libraries I've used?

As long as the books have fairly high Qualities, you can just assume some of that is due to resonances, yes, but resonances also raise the average Quality of books, which is the real problem.

Scott

[callen]

@Salutor

I'm afraid my levels of creatively have been struggling at creating dozens of different titles and magi names

Put me in charge of a section of it. Just let me know how many points to use in what areas. I'll add to the creativity.

Chris

[callen]

@MTKnife

have a look at the sidebar on the page in question

I know exactly what you're referring to. I was part of the original group that brought the questions to David. Here's the important part:

@errata

Summary of Quality Rules (Insert) (p. 88): Delete '+3 for non-magical subjects' from both the summa and tractatus extended formulae. Delete the whole final paragraph about that bonus. In the extended Maximum Tractatus Quality formula, add '+3' after 'Author's Communication'.

@MTKnife

if everyone is OK with going back adding those XP's to their characters.

That shouldn't be too hard. It's flexible enough that you could roughly just add 1 pt per season wherever is reasonable.

Chris

[MTKnife]

@callen

@MTKnife

have a look at the sidebar on the page in question

I know exactly what you're referring to. I was part of the original group that brought the questions to David. Here's the important part:

@errata

Summary of Quality Rules (Insert) (p. 88): Delete '+3 for non-magical subjects' from both the summa and tractatus extended formulae. Delete the whole final paragraph about that bonus. In the extended Maximum Tractatus Quality formula, add '+3' after 'Author's Communication'.

Oh, OK. I guess I forgot to ever check the errata on Covenants. I'm still though trouble by the bonsues for resonance, but I suppose it's true that anything over a +1 here is rare (as it requires a story).

@MTKnife

if everyone is OK with going back adding those XP's to their characters.

That shouldn't be too hard. It's flexible enough that you could roughly just add 1 pt per season wherever is reasonable.

Yeah, exactly.

Scott

[MTKnife]

@callen

@Salutor

I'm afraid my levels of creatively have been struggling at creating dozens of different titles and magi names

Put me in charge of a section of it. Just let me know how many points to use in what areas. I'll add to the creativity.

I can also contribute a little after I finish grading next Monday.

Scott

[callen]

OT:

@MTKnife

I can also contribute a little after I finish grading next Monday.

Oh, you teach, too, huh? I teach physics in a private secondary school.

Chris

[MTKnife]

@callen

OT:

@MTKnife

I can also contribute a little after I finish grading next Monday.

Oh, you teach, too, huh? I teach physics in a private secondary school.
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Political science in a small liberal arts college.

Scott

[Salutor]

@MTKnife

@callen

@Salutor

I'm afraid my levels of creatively have been struggling at creating dozens of different titles and magi names

Put me in charge of a section of it. Just let me know how many points to use in what areas. I'll add to the creativity.

I can also contribute a little after I finish grading next Monday.

Scott

Thanks - I'll try and see what I can get up over the weekend, and then think about where to go from there. For the meantime, I've produced some Tractatus on the Arts:

Arts Tractatus
Upon the Disappearence of the Created, by Polycarpus Criamonis. Creo Tractatus, Quality 6. 6bp.
The Effects of Magical Sustenence, by Polycarpus Criamonis. Creo Tractatus, Quality 6. 6bp.
The Influence of the World of Forms Upon Creation, by Plinius Bonisagi. Creo Tractatus, Quality 11. 11bp.
The Creation of Unnatural Objects in the Absence of an Ideal Form, by Plinius Bonisagi. Creo Tractatus, Quality 11. 11bp.
Aging to Maturity, by Venetia Jerbitonis. Creo Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Detecting the Power of Hermes, by Horatius Bonisagi. Intellego Tractatus, Quality 7. 7bp.
Viewing the Threads of Magic, by Erastus Guernici. Intellego Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
Magical Senses, by Arista Guernici. Intellego Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Magical Conversations, by Arista Guernici. Intellego Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Scrying, by Branwen Merinitae. Intellego Tractatus, Quality 7. 7bp.
Unnatural Livestock, by Amal Ex Miscellanea. Muto Tractatus, Quality 7. 7bp.
Taking on the Shapes of the Seas, by Claricia Mercandi. Muto Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Taking on the Shapes of the Skies, by Claricia Mercandi. Muto Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Taking on the Shapes of the Forests, by Claricia Mercandi. Muto Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
The Permanence of Destruction, by Polycarpus Criamonis. Perdo Tractatus, Quality 6. 6bp.
Aging Past Maturity, by Venetia Jerbitonis. Perdo Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
The Destruction of Natural Properties, by Stathis Bonisagi. Perdo Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Warding against the Realms, by Leandra Tremendi. Rego Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.
Natural Transformations, by Ramirus Tremendi. Rego Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
Binding Spirits with the Art of Rego, by Perome Tytali. Rego Tractatus, Quality 11. 11bp.
Living Puppets, by Rhea Tytali. Rego Tractatus, Quality 5. 5bp.
Some Methods of Warding Against Common Assaults, by Eleftherois Guernici. Rego Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.
The Lance of the Heavens, by Mencus Tytali. Auram Tractatus, Quality 6. 6bp.
Coastal Winds, by Greywing Bjornaeris. Auram Tracatus, Quality 11. 11bp.
The Following Breeze, by Greywing Bjornaeris. Auram Tractatus, Quality 11. 11bp.
The Baltic Sea, by Greywing Bjornaeris. Aquam Tractatus, Quality 11. 11bp.
The Falconer's Art, by Vivianne Jerbitonis. Animal Tractatus, Quality 10. (Also serves as a Tracatus on Animal Handling and Etiquette, accounted for separately). 10bp.
The Brotherhood of Wolves, by Ambrosius Tremendi. Animal Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
The Rapacity of Wolves, by Kronetis Tytali. Animal Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Migration, by Juliasta Criamonis. Animal Tractatus, Quality 6. 6bp.
A Study on the Apple Tree, by Abelia Bonisagi. Herbam Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Healing Herbs for Wounds, by Alexandra ex Miscellanea. Herbam Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.
The Peril of Phoebus, by Perpauca Bonisagi. Ignem Tractatus, Quality 11. 11bp
Communication via Fire, Ranulf Flambonis. Ignem Tractatus, Quality 6. 6bp
Cold and Chill: The School of Boreas, by Fulvius Flambonis. Ignem, Quality 8. 8bp.
The Species of Sight, by Clunia Jerbitonis. Imaginem Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
The Species of Sound, by Clunia Jerbitonis. Imaginem Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
Manipulating the Estimation, by Clunia Jerbitonis. Mentem Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
Manipulating the Common Sense, by Clunia Jerbitonis. Mentem Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
Your Mind, My Mind, by Okeanos Tytali. Mentem Tractatus, Quality 5. 5bp.
The Magical Properties of Sapphires, by Bertrando Verditii. Terram Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.
The Magical Properties of Emeralds, by Bertrando Verditii. Terram Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.
The Magical Properties of Rubies, by Bertrando Verditii. Terram Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.
Vallation, by Adrastia Tremendi. Terram Tractatus, Quality 10. 10bp.
Analysing Vis, by Patricius Bonisagi. Vim Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Fluid and Spun Vis, by Patricius Bonisagi. Vim Tractatus, Quality 9. 9bp.
Wards Against Magical Beings, by Paramonus Tremendi. Vim Tractatus, Quality 7. 7bp.
The Essence of Magic, by Cletis Bonisagi. Vim Tractatus, Quality 8. 8bp.

This is slightly over 400bp (412bp), so is going to need to be pruned a bit. Thoughts on how best to do so?

[MTKnife]

@Salutor

This is slightly over 400bp, so is going to need to be pruned a bit. Thoughts on how best to do so?

The Techniques will be more useful than the Forms, and so I'd cut it down to about two per Form (preferably the better works) and see where that gets you.

Scott