Makarion's Magus / Maga discussion thread

[Makarion]

@Jonathan.Link

Unlike 4th Edition, Enigmat Wisdom is only available to Criamon, or at least having been initiated into the Mystery...

I know! Note, how it's 0, with a +2 Puissant Ability bonus. I realize it's currently useless, but it's a nice growth-option as well as a potential story hook.

[Jonathan.Link]

Gotcha. As long as we treat as a lore skill with a score of 0 and not 2, I'm fine with it. The score of 0 in the lore skill means it can't be used to help assist in a Twilight episode...

[Makarion]

Yup, that's what I understood the rules to be. I'm not after cheese, just a good story .

[The_Fixer]

@Peregrine_Bjornaer

I seem to remember having a big discussion about this spell over in Bibracte with The Fixer's character

@Jonathan.Link

The Fixer wanted to do something quite similar, yes. I was going to let you comment before jumping in.

Errr no. Actually, no.

What I wanted was... Well, there is this ReVi guideline about storing spells, used for Watching Ward. And I wanted instead to use it to enchant an item (seasonnal activity) so that it may hold a spell.
The problem was that, as such, given how the rules work, they had numerous implications that I didn't want (such as, in fact, the ability to give one-off spells to grogs).
So I proposed HR designed to make these impossible... And it all went to hell I was probably not clear enough, so people focused on the potential problems I had brought forth, thinking I wanted to do the exact things I didn't want to do, which derailled the entire thing.

For the record, here it is

@The Fixer

I specifically don't want to be able to create containers at will (having a range on the effect)), which would allow the creation of temporary magical items for grogs (create a container on item, give it to grog). Nor do I want a single enchantment being able to hold multiple spells (multiple uses per day), which would let me have as many held spells as I want

As you can see, the misconception still holds

[Peregrine_Bjornaer]

As I recall (which is probably wrong, since I have a tendency sometimes to gloss over discussions about what other characters are doing unless I can see a relevance to mine), the situation was something along the lines of "I have an idea for some cool stuff that my character can do with enchanting items to hold spells. Now, I know that under the rules as written, I would be able to do this, that, and the other with this enchantment, but you have my word that I'm not going to."

Now, if this is correct, my problem with that is, although you've agreed not to abuse the rules to do what you could do with the enchantment, there's nothing preventing someone else down the road from coming in and doing it. That, and I really paid no attention to the Ranulf thread (not having Magi of Hermes, and unlikely to get it any time soon), or the Munchkin from Hell thread for that matter.

But, since I don't have Magi of Hermes (and thus, the rule that invalidates the ""hermetic magic currently lacks a way of binding a watching effect and a spell together without a separate ritual, Watching ward, which requires vis" clause, I'm going to go ahead and say that it would require the ritual Watching Ward, and thus can't be enchanted into an item.

Preparing spells in advanced to be used by someone (or something) else using Tethered Magic, however.

[The_Fixer]

@Peregrine_Bjornaer

Now, if this is correct

Wrong again
I proposed to add this HR specifically to adress the problems I described:

@The Fixer

So I'm perfectly fine with the following rule:

• An item can hold a spell like a watching ward, realeasing it under similar rules. However, as the enchantment flickers at sunrise/sunset, the containment will fail unless designed as a constant enchantment. Moreover, multiple castings by the same item don't allow more spells to be held, as, the effect being powered by vis (like Watching Ward) the total capacity ultimately rests on the vis invested.

In short, differences with watching ward:

• On the plus side, the vis is not wasted when the spell is cast. You can hold another spell just afterwards. So I save on vis.
• On the minus side, each container takes a season to craft, whereas a WW takes at most a couple hours to cast, and it can be stolen.

@Peregrine_Bjornaer

But, since I don't have Magi of Hermes (and thus, the rule that invalidates the ""hermetic magic currently lacks a way of binding a watching effect and a spell together without a separate ritual, Watching ward, which requires vis" clause, I'm going to go ahead and say that it would require the ritual Watching Ward, and thus can't be enchanted into an item.

Sigh...

You've actually got it backwards.
MoH introduced the rule you're quoting, it didn't invalidate it.

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