Minimum level for aegis of the hearth?

[William]

Casting tablets somewhat allow someone to include additional penetration by adding to the casting total. Hermetic spells and ritual also have the options of using vis, arcane and sympathetic connections.

Generally speaking, rituals will see much higher penetration totals then their magical objects cousins.

W

Oh and wards & agides need to penetrate

[Tellus]

@Jonathan.Link

Why are you quoting Peregrine_Bjornaer and addressing me? I wasn't advocating including penetration and I thought that's what he was saying. I've long since moved passed it. The only thing I opined on was that having a HR that included penetration in the level of the spell was 1) a HR and 2) may be considered reasonable since devices do this. I'd personally never use it in a saga.

Because I was clearly deeply retarded?
Or plausibly because I wasn't awake when I posted? (I hope so, that'll pass).

My apologies.

[The_Fixer]

@One Shot

In the Introduction it is explicitly recommended, that each adventure text - like The Waimie - is read only by the SG in charge of that antagonist.
This implies, that that text might not be read even by the alpha SG in some campaigns - hence is not a place to put in sweeping rules clarifications.
It further determines the context in which the adventure texts are read. Hence "If the Aegis is of sufficient Level and Penetration, the covenant may end up fighting the Waimie's offspring outside the covenant." describes a problem the SG in charge of The Waimie needs to address. It does not define what "sufficient Level and Penetration" is.
Cheers

Ok, so you’re saying that :

1. This book is of lesser value for rules, because it contains adventures which, for fun’s sake, may not be read by the whole troupe if they don’t want to spoil the surprise. And the one player who reads the adventure can’t say the troupe “Hey, it’s been clarified in that book! Trust me, if you don’t want to read it now, you can do it later”. Any rule or clarification must be read by the whole troupe, and it must be read now, so the additonnal virtues in this book can't be used, either, and maybe aren't raw? You're also assuming that the line editor and authors agree with you, and would never do that.

2.1) Saying “sufficient Level AND penetration” has no precise meaning whatsoever and may be understood however one choose, including, say “The penetration must be greater that the might, while the level must be only half of it”. Still, I've asked you twice to rewrite this sentence, just keeping "level AND penetration", so that it supports your view. Either you missed it, or that sentence mustn't be that unclear.

2.2) If the aegis doesn’t need to penetrate, they nonetheless chose to write this instead of the short and clear “"If the Aegis is of sufficient Level, the covenant may end up fighting the waimee's offsprings". This clearly makes sense, on all accounts: They wasted words, and confused players.

Tell you what? We will have to disagree on all these points