Puissant or Magical Foci; Which is Applied First?

[Melville_s_Book]

As the title says. Which do you apply first if you have a Puissant Art which will be affected by a Magical Focus?

[ironboundtome]

Puissant applies once only - so apply it "at the end". The application of a Focus is situational.
I don't think it is legit to say that a Puissant Art is applied twice just because the focus applies the art score twice.

@Arm p48

If a spell has requisites, include the bonus from Puissant Art with that Art when calculating which Art is higher. If the Puissant Art is higher, the bonus
does not apply to the requisite.

[Tellus]

@ArM5 errata

Puissant (Art) (p. 48): Replace the first sentence of the text with: "You add 3 to the value of one Art whenever you use it."

I think you actually add it twice.

And remember, it's often worth checking the errata.

[ironboundtome]

That's a pretty generous interpretation. I read that to mean the Puissant applies when ever the art is used, not that it applies twice when an art is applied twice. Both could be true.

[Xavi]

PUISSANT (ART)
Minor, Hermetic
You add 3 to the value of one Art whenever you use it. This means all totals in which the score of the Art is part of the total. It does not apply to Study Totals. You may take this Virtue twice, for two different Arts. If a spell has requisites, include the bonus from Puissant Art with that Art when calculating which Art is higher. If the Puissant Art is higher, the bonus does not apply to the requisite.

The +3 is added to the total, not to the Art's base value.

Having said that we also double the puissant in my table sagas. it does not break anything, really, so no biggie if you want to do that.

[Tellus]

Xavi: you appear to be quoting the pre-errata'ed version, which involves adding +3 to a total.
As already indicated:

@ArM5 errata

Puissant (Art) (p. 48): Replace the first sentence of the text with: "You add 3 to the value of one Art whenever you use it."

compounded with

@ArM5 errata

Minor Magical Focus (p. 46): Replace the final paragraph with: "When you cast a spell or generate a Lab Total within your focus, add the lowest applicable Art score twice, as for a Major Magical Focus (page 45)."

Since there's no longer any reference to adding "+3 to any total" but rather "You add 3 to the value of one Art whenever you use it.", I don't really see how you can argue that it is not included.

[Xavi]

Ah yes. I quoted from the PDF version of the game I have. Didn't check for errata, my bad.

[Tellus]

@Xavi

Ah yes. I quoted from the PDF version of the game I have. Didn't check for errata, my bad.

No worries.