As I recall I finished the original about the same time the announcement that 5e would reset canon, so my thought was that it was done just in time to be useless.
I intended to restart the project, but the first few books included timelines, so I discontinued.
Hey all, thanks to the gracious help of @Kuni_Mizomura and @Antomonio Finis Terrae is incorporated in the Chronology (along with last years numerous minor updates and fixes). See notes
- I look at all comments and edit suggestions added in the document (it's open to commenting).Does it mean we can go ahead with making it a PDF?
Hey bud. Yes. But would be good if it's in a manner that can be updated. Keep in mind there's been more or less just me with limited crowdfixes, no editor, no full proofreads and no complete review runs.
We might want to make pdf into a game version, suitable player facing. Remove the front and appendix meta and stop in 1220?
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Belated rework and update on Pralix and The Spider War, more in line with the 5e and Thrice Told Tales in particular.
Sorry Itzhak, couldn't help myself when I realized (due to my campaign) that the Spider War needed a refresh :). Want to get back to me on that PM?
Perhaps if we fully want to "finalize" a version - we could try another "active" round of crowd-sourced comments and fixes (they keep popping up like this otherwise)... Any takers out there to help with that? (feel free to just dive in, and/or discuss here).
What shame. I understand the reason, but I have to say, that was one part I like from Lion of the North.
I agree, 5e replaced Brude with Damhadh-Duidas, and dropped some of the best bits. Also since Lion of the North (like Rome) hasn't really been update (oh, I wish we would get the tribunal books in line with 5e) it's a bit of dilemma.
I'm actually considering just leaving the good Brude bits with Damhadh-Duidas, merging the stories. It's nearly there, so no biggie I think. One could also consider the character to be known under both names more or less.
I was actually using Brude myself in my campaign a bit, on the Legends side - as one of their fae rivals knows Brudes deathless magic, but was a Diedne who transformed himself into fae a longtime ago but now regrets it and is working both against and with (faerie bargains out of necessity) the characters to become human again (it's a long and fun arc in my campaign actually). They killed him once, but he got better :).
Hi,
Where are you getting all the references to pogroms of Celtic magi by House Diedne? I can't find anything about that in 4E, but it's possible I wasn't looking in the right places.
The Contested Isle (the Hibernian tribunal book) is the key source (pg 11) - basically Diedne tried to "Join or Die" the Irish Druids, they refused to join so she went for "Die". Some of them did survive and join other Houses of the Order, but she declared Wizard War on at least some of those (pg 60).
Diedne's tradition also got on badly with the Gruagachan (pg 72 of Hedge Magic) and a fair number of the other practitioners in the British Isles (pg 102 of HoH:Societates), although those were less specifically Diedne herself, and not everything the Gruagachan blamed the Diedne for was actually them.
That's all 5e - I've no idea if there's an equivalent in 4e.
There is also this quote from Thrice Told Tales (p136)
During this period, Pralix visited Ire-
land in order to gain recruits to the cause
against Damhan-Allaidh. Here she met
with Diedne on the shores of Loch Cuan
in 806. Diedne refused to allow her to en-
list Irish magicians; she was insistent that
any druids must join the Order of Hermes
or else die. Diedne was further incensed
when Pralix laughed at her and called her
stupid and petty.
[...]
Despite this encounter at Loch
Cuan, Pralix still returned to Britain with
a cadre of Irish druids who were prepared
to oppose their Scottish counterparts.
Thanks loads--grabbed the book and yeah I'm seeing what you're talking about. That's insane; I would never have guessed that about Diedne the Founder, though I guess there's almost nothing about what she herself was like in the other books. Thank you for the help, and for the work you put into this timeline. Will definitely be consulting it going forward.
(Will also look at Thrice Told Tales; not sure I have that one.)
Don't forget, that this is the official and public history. And history books are written by the winners.
What I like with Ars is that there are large section of history left to be interpreted as you want. Even the invention of magic theory and Parma by a single man could be challenged as nearly impossible (at least impossible with the existing rules for discovery).
So you can take this official history as the real history, but if for you saga's purposes you want to change part of it, it is relatively easy and it is not going to contradict any official publication because the publisher did not write oodles of material that cement it. So, go nuts!
The history gives a frame that coincide more than support other published material, so ST have quite some freedom to build their personal version.
Previous posters are correct. Note: Pretty much every single book published (through all editions) have at least something in this timeline. For the refocus from v2.0 where it grew from 40 to 200+ pages it's >90% 5th edition that's been added though.
(That's not to say there isn't more to make better, or more complete... There's plenty of more choices that could be made and inconsistencies to fix between editions as well as between supplements in 5th... Anyhow, like mentioned above - feel free to help with that, otherwise it happens only occasionally as it's pretty complete. Review the appendix for more of my thoughts on status).