Voice and Gestures for Ritual Spells

[ezzelino]

@callen

@ezzelino

Hmm. I disagree. You certainly have to perform "elaborate rituals", but the option to deviate from the "standard voice and gestures [used for Rituals]" is still unavailable when casting Ritual Magic.

Really? Don't you get to add Artes Liberales and Philosophiae by deviating from the standard voice and gestures to these elaborate rituals instead of just +2 for going from standard to loud/exaggerated?

No. You add Artes Liberales and Philosophiae because you are casting a Ritual, and you are not deviating from "standard voice and gestures" (in fact, you cannot): you are using the (firm) voice and (bold) gestures standard for Ritual casting, which may well be different from the voice and gestures standard for Spontaneous and Formulaic spellcasting but follow the same mechanics (e.g. in terms of how far R:Voice reaches).

@callen

You do recognize that quote comes from inside "Non-Ritual Spells" and immediately following "non-ritual magic," right? So the book has explicitly identified that it is not discussing ritual spells there. So that statement is describing formulaic and spontaneous spells, but not ritual spells.

There's a subtle fallacy in this argument. The discussion as a whole may be about non-Ritual spellcasting, but the individual sentence may well be about spells in general, stating a "standard" to which all generally adhere, but from which Spontaneous and Formulaic ones can deviate.