Yet another take on the Schism War!

[Ouroboros]

@Heaven_s_Thunder_Ham

far too altruistic and unrealistic.

@Euphemism

How very jesus-like.

I don't see a strategy consisting on prunning half of the Order and ideally half of Europe at World Wars' level very altruistic or jesus-like, to be honest!

@Euphemism

if you want to go at the with the "save magic" angle you could have the diedne orchestrate their own reincarnation as the holy-magi, (noone would expect that).

Well, Ovarwa would definetively expect it; he proposed Diedne picking up Holy Magic and hiding inside he Church almost 4 years ago,

@Ovarwa

I don't think it's necessary to have any Diedne survivors, and if there are survivors I don't deeply need them to be organized. But if the Diedne have survived as a House, I prefer them to remain in Mythic Europe and prefer them associated with the Church. Where better for scholars to hang out? If you do not want magi casting spells on you, who better to be than a churchman? And if your Parma resists such a spell, won't they likely attribute it to your obvious holiness? And if you do cast a spell (without words or gestures, of course, unless you have managed to pick up Holy Magic), isn't that probably just a minor miracle?

This works fine if you like your Diedne infernal, or prefer them as secular as any other magus. It works less well if Diedne must have the Pagan flaw. But if the Diedne can handle a bit of syncretism, they might actually influence Christian practice, even as they themselves evolve.

So when the Church starts making life difficult for magi, this is just the Church doing what it does, and has absolutely nothing to do with the Diedne, who are long gone with nary a trace. Nothing to see here, folks. And if there seems to be an uptick in book-burning, that's regrettable, even barbaric, but hardly unusual. And if heretics are burned, and not just their books, that's certainly not a repackaged Diedne ritual, just a sign of the times.

But for me to be honest to have a group of a hundred (or many hundreds) of sorcerers infiltrated into any organisation seems wrong.

I usually play the Church to be a major force against the Order. With The Order being the big magical bully in Mythic Europe it is already hard enough to have Order-threatening stuff to throw to my players, and I like to keep as many availiable resources as I can. Grouping two big troubles into one? That cut my arsenal almost by half! I don't like it at all.