1222-1227 OOC

  1. No :smiley:

  2. Yes!!!!
    Best thing is, you can cheat! Take a mass of still, have it given the shape you want. Enchant it with a Mu(re)Te so that it flaps its wings and all whenever flying, and a ReTe spell (+ magnitude for fiona's weight) to have it fly around :smiley:

Actually, if they leave the interior of the tower alone and are quiet and patient, he might actually like them a lot.

I'd say Enigmatic Warping, but yeah :laughing:

Mu 5 + An/Co 5 + Int 3+ Magic Theory 5(enchant) + Aura 5 + Familiar 6 + Lab -2 + Bond 5 = 32. Oh, Oops. That's a 32 instead of a 27. Still not going to get there. I need an LT of 60.

So then it would only be a +1 mag adjustment to the base MuAn(Co) spell to make her human in the first place?

Oooh. Steel wings. That sounds much more Metal.

Not sure what they're doing in this math, if this is what Viscaria is doing in exchange for Thera's Pendant. Since this'll be a while, I also need to check what all my scores will be.

It IS her preferred medium. There has to be a lot of silver on any enchantment she creates or there's little point in her being a Verditus.

Double-checking, I only need the Vim to give it a Might Score. So I could go Mu(Rego)An to fly unnaturally well with wings, Terram to make it metal. I could also add a +1 Flexibility magnitude so that it will do several different (predesigned) forms. Would need to add uses per day, but on the other hand, I'd drop the linked trigger. Just make sure pegasus here is parked on the ground come sunset.

I really see no justification for the MuReTe nonsense. Rego makes things move. Muto changes things. You might MuTe so that it was flexible enough for someone else to move, but if the spell is doing the moving, then all you need is Rego, IMHO.

Dammit. I have things to do today that I've already been avoiding. Now I'm gonna be working on this....

I was thinking lab assistants, but I hadn't checked Viscaria's character sheet when I posted that. It looks like she only has enough Leadership for Fiona, anyway, so nevermind :slight_smile: . With a Leadership of 1, she gets Theraphosa for free, and one other (Fiona).

So, she can have two assistants.

+1 for JL's house rule. But my point is, why would Fiona work as an assistant for a item she's getting in return for a season's worth of work?

True.

Well, I'm not a great fan of spells that do 2 entirely different things at one.
But here, this seems perfectly fine, so no problem, especially given her basic form.

So yeah, I'd say MuCo(An) base 5 (you must use the higher base), +1 magnitude.

:laughing: Awesome :laughing:
You gotta love Immortal :smiley:

I'll try to be clear. Something I am renowned for my epic failures in managing :unamused:

ReTe can move it around, sure. But it won't be animated.
Can you use ReTe to make it animated? I don't think to, or else, you could use ReTe to bend a wall like a bretzel, just like you'd use ReTe to bend the horse's articulations into various shapes. Similarly, "Supple Iron and Rigid Rope" is MuTe, not ReTe.
You could try to animate it using only ReTe. But the metal, being not supple, would just break. Try taking a statue and bending its arms!
So the Muto requisite allows just that. It makes the articulations flexible enough not to break when moving.

Concur'd.

I should make it clear that I'm objecting to the standard ruling, not anyone's particular opinion. I understand the logic behind it. I just don't like the visual. Doesn't feel like the sort of magic I want in my game world.

I don't want a ReTe "animated" statue to move like a horse. I want it to move like an Earth Elemental. Sometimes parts would move, other times the face would just decide to be on a different bit. I'm sure there's a good movie reference for what I'm talking about, but it escapes me at the moment.

Anyway, it's a side comment, and clearly a distraction that'll have us pointing at page references and demanding the waitress bring us more beer with mug-thumping heartiness, so I defer on the matter. Whatever, Ars Magica. Look like yourself rather than my world, if you want.

Our Penetration book is a Tropea, and low quality.

obsidianportal.com/campaigns ... theraphosa

Theraphosa's Bio now includes the updated running totals of the various skills she picks up. I leave 1227.2 and 1227.3 blank, so she can react to the Tribunal.

Since we still don't have the stuff from Renauld's trip to Confluensis, or the results of her trading efforts from 1222, and we don't know what's happening in Mother's Footsteps, I can ironically figure out Thera's stats but not Viscaria's (assuming V doesn't get stuck in Lapis Crudis), since regardless of what V's enchanting, Thera is just helping out in the lab.

I'm still tempted to have Thera write some books. With her Com+3 and Magic Theory of 7+, she could write some above average books. Maybe even commentaries on Prospero's MT book. Though, I suppose she might also want to take some trips into the Magic Realm to gain transformations.

Still thinking about the letter she'll write to Andru or some of our other allies to join the politicking.

Okay, so let's slide Penetration between Parma and Finesse, then?

Half of us have Penaid 3 and our numbers on Finesse are pretty good, too -- Though, when Fiona leaves, Viscaria will still need a basic primer on Finesse. Ability Summae are limited to Level 8, and we get first picks from the letter, so I guess we need to get high-level ones, and hope to find unusually good ones.

The level limit only applies to building a library from build points at covenant creation. If someone has an MT of 20, they can write a Summa of 10...

I'm just number crunching with the available data. We've got (2,3:2.0)* for Pene and (1,4:2.25) for Finesse, (2,4:3.2) for Parma (not counting Isen's massive outlier). So a Penetration L5 book has a lot more value than a L5 for either of the others.

(2,3:2.0) = Range of 2-3, average 2.0

Assuming we only want the Ignem, and Mentem books for apprentice training/opening, then that wouldn't leave us enough levels to buy a Creo text that is worthwhile. There's enough Creo specialists in our Rego-dominated covenant that we should really focus on getting a really good Creo text.

I'm gonna go back and look at who wanted what and how badly. We are trying for too many books now.

Although, we could try to fund an entire generation of apprentices and journeymen lingering around Durenmar to do some scribing for us. We could pay them in Mentem vis. The more I read through GotF, though, the more I get the sense that there are far too FEW scholars and scribes there.

Yeah, the Ignem and Mentem texts are only to fill in gaps in our library. Imaginem nobody particularly cares about and we've got an L6Q21 there already.

A Creo 20+ book would be good for Isen. 25+ to be valuable to both our Creo specialists. Parma 5 would still be valuable to every. We have two Affinity-Finesse specialists and Viscaria, so a high level summa in that is totally called for.

I say this:

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With those bottom two only if you can find the Q21 versions. (q22, really). Otherwise we should trade for them. Although, the heavy preference for Arcane skills may just be me.

Okay, so jebrick and Peregrine vote "no" to maintaining a portal to Harco. Fixer votes "no, for cost and security reasons," and Viscaria votes "no, Val Negra first."

Fixer seemed to second the motion for a portal to Val Negra once it gets set up. How do other people vote on Val Negra, assuming we can get them to pay for half?

And, incidentally, what else are we planning to do with 24 pawns of ReTe/year?

Good question!