1222: Intercharacter goodness

((You mean the as-yet-uncompleted Rabbi Jonathan? Let's see...flipflip It looks like he does have Eilid beat on teaching. But if Jonathan is teaching Ezio, they don't need parma over them, as Talia and Eilid's Gifts wouldn't bother them as far as teaching scores go.))

((Cool, I was thinking the -3 Gift penalty would apply to this situation without parma being extended.))

((Actually, rereading the effects of the Gift on pp. 75-77, they would both need Parma extended if they're in the same room with the magae. I was thinking it was only if they're interacting, but it seems it's anytime they're aware of the magus.))

Yeah, Talia extends her Parma over both of them to negate the effects of the gift during teaching, while she's reading the the MT text.

Jonathan is happy to teach Latin to Ezio (and anyone else who wishes to join in the lessons). He does not however consent to having magic worked on him. "It is pesha to engage in sorcery, but I thank you for the thought."

Eilid quirks a brow. "And yet you live in an area protected by a spell that protects everyone within it against creatures of magic, against fairies and demons and hostile magi?"

"...I do?" He frowns. "Does this spell affect all of us who are within, or does it affect the land itself, or does it affect hostile entities? And no, even if the spell does affect me personally, then it would not be pesha, which is intentional sin; it would be cheit."

"But if you stay, now knowing what you do, isn't that then intentional?"

"It protects everyone, but it affects anyone or anything who tries to enter the covenant, any magic cast from outside, or any magic brought in from outside.

"So, it's a sin if a spell affects you directly, but if you benefit from it, it's not? That's splitting a fine hair, isn't it, rabbi?"

"Rabbinic law is nothing but splitting fine hairs. As an example, we are forbidden from lighting a fire upon shabbas. If I'm in a room with a goy, and my tefillinis in a dark room, if I say "Oi, goy, can you please go in that room and fetch my tefillin" I've sinned. But if I say, "I'm gonna go get my tefillin" and you go in the other room to light a candle so I can find it more easily, there is no sin. But if I said the same thing to another Jew and he broke shabbat to help me, then I've sinned. All fine hairs, as you say," he smiles. "It is by seeking to understand Hashem's will that we feel His presence in our lives. Now, yes, I will have to live elsewhere, until I can research this spell better and understand whether or not it is forbidden. I apologise, but I will not be free for teaching until I have a roof over my head. Once I have a home, I will resume teaching there."

He will begin immediate work building a cottage far away from the wizards' settlement in the hopes that it is safe.

(Given the spell description of Aegis it should be fine to live and work within it so long as he doesn't participate in the ritual. But Eilid basically told him "you can't come in, ever, without sinning" neglecting to mention that the aegis treats him as an intruder if he doesn't participate or accept a token.)

((True, but he also told her that he can't be protected by a Parma that's already cast, which by extension tells her that he can't benefit from an Aegis, or by any use of magic (even indirectly). Basically, it's a misunderstanding based on apparently bad assumptions. She's assuming that, since he came in with a maga, that he has at least a clue about magic and benefited by Talia's magic in making the ship go; he's apparently assuming that she knows something about Hebrew and rabbinic/Talmudic law. And the fact that he's trying to explain something while throwing out all these strange words that make no sense in context and that he makes no attempt to explain doesn't help her any.))

((Moved the Parma Discussion over to Table Talk.))

Eilid is going to go ahead and teach Ezio herself, unless there's something she feels he must learn that she doesn't know enough about to teach.

Talia, when hearing of Eilid's intention, "Teach the things you need to teach, do the things you need to do now, though. Vermicello can teach Ezio Latin while I read from my book, and my Parma can cover them both to create a stable environment. You don't need to teach him Latin, do you? Isn't that something Vermicello can do? I would prefer you teach my boy magic and things he can't learn from someone else. Unless you claim him now as your apprentice, and we both know what that entails, I must insist as his mother.

((Yeah, she played the mommy card.))

((Oh, no, you dint! :laughing:))

"Very well...I will respect your right as his vulgar* mother to see to his mundane lessons. I would still like to be able to spend time with him to get to know him better, to prepare the both of us for the road that lies ahead. And I will check with you in advance."

((*vulgar as in non-Hermetic, not as in obscene.))

"Of course, Eilid. I should only hope that his apprenticeship experience will be different than mine. I don't have a clue about your House, except you transform yourselves into animals that are part of your nature. I imagine it takes time to get to know the apprentice to figure that out."