1260:OOC

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So, some questions here (assume the Aegis is powerful enough to stop it).

A creature with Might can't enter, unless it is given an invite.

Can a person with a token (But not a caster of the Aegis) invite a creature?

In Zoltan's case (after he takes part in the Aegis), does the casting of the spell within the Aegis basically include the invitation? So could he summon/create a fae with one of his Animae spells within the Aegis, or would he have to cast it outside and invite it in, or possibly it appears, but outside of the aegis somewhere?

I'm inclined to think that if he casts it within the aegis, and was part of its casting, then it would include the invite.

I was going to ramble a bit about Animae Magic and the Aegis, but realized it was rambly. I can see a ton of possible interpretations, ranging from the spell fizzling to the creature getting in even if you aren't invited or an Aegis caster. For starters I'm not even sure if Animae magic is summoning or creation. All that said:

I like this idea.

RAW suggests the token must be given to be invited into the Aegis, so the summoning being an invitation doesn't exactly work based on the description of the spell. I know the token doesn't need to be kept and can actually be dropped and the invitee remains invited within the Aegis.

People with tokens cannot invite others into the Aegis. If they participate in the Aegis (which, IMO, doesn't mean cast or lend power with Ritual Communion, but walk the perimeter), they can invite people/beings into the Aegis.

No, only a person who participated in the casting can do so. Not that in this case 'participating' does not mean doing anything magical, such as casting Wizard's Communion: just being there during the casting and maybe ringing a bell or something is enough.

Yes and No. If he creates a fae (using his Creo or Muto Animae magic), then the fae never enters the Aegis, it is created within. No different from a creature whose invitation has been revoked but which is still inside, it is not compelled to leave. Muto Animae magic transform an existing object into a faerie, and Creo Animae magic, despite the language used 'summons a faerie', is still Creo magic, so it creates, it does not transport. On the other hand, if it leaves the area it won't be able to come in again.

If Zoltan tries to summon them, using some form of Rego magic, then the Aegis will resist it (but he can summon just outside, hand out a token, and take them inside). Sure, the summons is an invitation, of a sort, but there is the problem of the token. Possibly a spell could be created that summons the creature with a secondary effect handing out the token at the same time...

This is how I see it.

i went with leadership as it is used for intimidation which i think that Zoltan is trying to do.

Right. The easy part was Zoltan's side. What's the best way to resist it though? I was thinking Leadership, as both are competing. If it was rolling against a bravery personality trait, well, it's not one I took for her, because she's a magus character, and she has Leadership as an Ability. And the ability, could it be she was smart enough to see through him, and make it Int+leadership to resist, or Perceptive enough? In a test of presence, Ophelia concedes that Zoltan will win. :smiley:

I knew she was going to lose the contest, so I handled it as her getting out what she intended (Determined).

She saved face on that I think. And she's already on to some weaknesses of Zoltan's, so it's a win for both I'd say.

Yeah, but Zoltan moves onto the Aegis. And then there's the fact that Ophelia cannot participate. She's never had to participate before, because she was itinerant, and relied on the kindness of strangers. :smiley:

With Ophelia's Latin, and specialty in Hermetic Latin, is it enough for her to read a lab text, or are we going with a strict score of 4 to read and 5 to write, as I did in Bibracte?

Does Wizard's Communion need to be specified as a ritual? I only took WC to participate in the Aegis, so he'll have whatever version is required if it matters.

Arthur uses Ritual Communion and Wizard's Communion to differentiate the versions of the spell that work with Rituals. I like that, because it's unambiguous. Rituals need to have a longer duration version, per the Muto Vim errata, Sun duration is necessary, or Concentration if you're feeling lucky. :smiley:

So, Ritual Communion is like Wizard's Communion 10 levels are used to change the Duration to Sun, and the remainder of the levels are added as additional power to the ritual spell. It's just like Bibracte.

OK...

So I should have Ritual Communion then instead? Basically this was Zoltan being a team player, i wanted him to be able to help cast the aegis. We talked about this when I first took WC at only level 10. Should I change it?

I need to specify the build for his WC, I remade it so it has Sun duration, I'll update his page.

Yup! You just need to adjust the duration to Sun, level stays the same.

Zoltan needs to hammer on Ophelia as far as how much she can provide... :smiley:

I will need to recon on calculating what Laterala can do. It should be 5th mag by herself and 7th with help.

That is what I get for posting while working.

Well, I was wondering if she was Maris in disguise...

Of course, but Jane is inside the Aegis. And your lab equipemnt will presumably be within your sanctum soon, again, within the Aegis. :unamused:

True, there are differences, (the bond, the fact that lab equipment is actually used to perform magic etc.), but its more than simply "apart". And Eve would count Jane as part of her magical power, no matter how far the distance. And I'm pretty sure most Tribunals would back her up on that bit.