Attacking a Mage's Parma Magica

[ExarKun]

Leonis...

1. "realm" is something which is stated in the Vim box
2. you need to check the errata, which include "or equal".

I don't know any more why you are talking about stated as correct effects, in fact.

[Tellus]

@DIREWOLF75

Indeed, as stated by D. Chart:

Thank you, i tried to find that but my search failed miserably... Even better, i remembered it correctly as well... :mrgreen:

advanced search for word "charged" and author "*Chart" gives you this as the only hit.

[Erik_Tyrrell]

@DIREWOLF75

@Erik Tyrrell

The interactions of charged items and item expiry with penetration is a bit of a bug that I think any right minded person would fix for a game. Outside of those two exploits, penetrating parma isn't "trivially easy" most magi are going to be able to do it in their better form and technique combinations, but the word trivial should no longer be appropriate.

I think the clarification on expiry that was in another thread made it rather less of an exploit?
IIRC, expiry was only valid to use with invested items.

I was speaking even with invested items (the statement - it does not allow him to instill effects that he could not otherwise manage- in the text even pre errata rules out any use for lesser enchanted devices, and I'd never considered the possibility of using expiry on charged devices.)

Being able to accomplish 5 or ten seasons worth of work in a single season is really inherently abusive, but because we're talking about just one season of work it becomes much more manageable to bring in your sodales and other people's apprentices for laboratory assistance and this magnifies the problem. A character who has a lab total of 41 isn't going to be able to invest a level 50 enchantment in an item under normal circumstances, but if for one season they bring in two friends who have a combined int + magic theory of 14 and they use effect expiry they can knock out the level 50 enchantment in a single season.

[Andrew_W]

@Leonis_Bjornaer

Unraveling the Fabric of the Parma Magica
PeVi 5
R: Voice, D: Mom, T: Ind
Destroys an individual's Parma Magica, so long as the individual's Parma Magica ability is less than 3.
(Base 3 + 2 Voice) {Base 3 + 4 Magnitudes->15, + stress die is greater than 15 which == Parma 3}

-Ben.

This is close to the spell guideline I used, But I literally retrofitted WoMS.

So it's Level + 10 + stress die. So a Level 10 Spell will dispell a parma of 4,5, or 6 or even More (on Exceptional rolls from the stress die).... However making it specific not general this means the dispelling is on a Parma 1/5 of the spell level + stress die not 1/5 of half the spell level (or 1/10 spell level) + stress die.

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[Richard_Love]

@Erik Tyrrell

Being able to accomplish 5 or ten seasons worth of work in a single season is really inherently abusive, but because we're talking about just one season of work it becomes much more manageable to bring in your sodales and other people's apprentices for laboratory assistance ...

Although, part of that is the fact that getting assistance in the lab is actually really cost effective.

Investing in, say Leadership 3 (and some friends), is a really good way to cheaply boost your lab total by 20-30.