Automatic counterspelling talisman

[Berengar]

@Jabir

@One Shot

@Jabir

I see it as the target magus feeling magical forces gathering around him, with just enough time available to cast a counterspell.

This means, that in your sagas every magus automatically has a very powerful version of the ArM5 p.45 Minor Supernatural Virtue Magic Sensitivity.

So what's your interpretation of:

In other circumstances, the maga must work the Form out. A Perception + Awareness roll against an Ease Factor of 15 minus the magnitude of the effect is needed.

It's clearly not referring to recognizing words and gestures, since that's covered by the paragraph immediately preceding it. It seems to me that you're just ignoring this rule.

You are running an unpleasant carousel here. I answered your question already in my earlier post:

@Jabir

Per AM5 pg.83 (emphasis mine):

In order to create a fast-cast defense against magic, a maga must know the Hermetic Form that governs that magic. If the caster is a Hermetic magus and is using words and gestures that she can hear and see, she may determine this automatically. A Perception + Awareness roll may be needed to catch the details of the gestures, particularly if they are subtle. In other circumstances, the maga must work the Form out. A Perception + Awareness roll against an Ease Factor of 15 minus the magnitude of the effect is needed.

Even if the target Magus can't see, here, or understand the gestures of the caster, he can figure out the form. I believe that this is by sensing powerful magics, which are more obvious the higher the magnitude.

You appear to read "In other circumstances, the maga must work the Form out" as "In all other circumstances, the maga can work the Form out". I would disagree, and read it as "In other circumstances than clearly hearing and seeing Hermetic words and gestures, the maga must work the Form out".

Cheers