I'll assign copying to the second scribe and get those lists compiled tonight (I'm at GMT-6).
Books copied in 1236 and 1237 available for trade:
Elementia
De Oratore ad Quintum fratrem libri tres (3 copies)
Catalogue of Magical Beasts and Beings (3 copies)
Physics
Ultor (The Avenger)
History of the Order of Hermes (2 copies)
Historia Hermetica (2 copies)
On Transmutation
Riddle of Mars
To Command!
Corrections and Expansions (2 copies)
Eye of Aggamatto
all aquam, animal, corpus, vim, aurum, herbem, imaginem, and mentem lab texts
Jupiter's Hammer
The hammer and the hand
where multiple copies are listed this is in addition to the covenant copy
Additionally 1 scribe (we won't name names) forgot to check cow and calf and copied a protected book, Solomon and Vocis will be consulted as to whether it needs to be scraped clean so the vellum can be reused or if it can be set into a vault somewhere so we can keep a copy safe while we use the original. (the book was Gazing on Heaven)
So, here's what I have now:
CURRENT WISH LIST
- Intelligo Su (better than Quality 10)
- Rego Tr (multiple, if possible)
- Animal Su (better than Quality 10)
- Aquum Su (better than Quality 10)
- Corpus Su (better than Quality 10)
- Imaginem Su (better than Quality 10)
- Mentem Su (better than Quality 11)
- Any Art but Au, Te, and Vi (Quality 15+)
- Any Art Tr (Quality 11+)
- Parma Magica Su (better than Quality 10)
- Second Sight Su or Tr
- Charm Su
- Etiquette Su
- Intrigue Su
- Leadership Su
- Teaching Su
- Spell: MuVi20 Wizard's Reach (Mentem)
- Spell: ReVi50r Aegis of the Hearth
- Spell: InVi20 Numbness of the Gift
- Spell: InVi20 Piercing the Faerie Veil
- Spell: InVi20 Piercing the Infernal Veil
- Spell: InVi20 Piercing the Magical Veil
- Spell: ReMe40 The Face in the Mirror
- Spell: InAu20 Sailor’s Foretaste of the Morrow
- Spell: ReIm30 Image from the Wizard Torn
- Spell: InVi20 Numbness of the Gift
- Spell: PeVi30r Disenchant
- Spell: PeVi30 Unraveling the Fabric of Vim
- Spell: PeVi20 Unraveling the Fabric of Herbam
- Spell: PeVi20 Unraveling the Fabric of Ignem
- Spell: PeVi20 Unraveling the Fabric of Terram
- Spell: ReVi15 Gather the Essence of the Beast
- Spell Mastery Tr for popular spells
CURRENT TEXTS AVAILABLE FOR TRADE:
Summae
Elementia, Artes Liberales L4/Q8 [20 BP]
De Oratore ad Quintum fratrem libri tres, Artes Liberales L8/Q14 (3 copies) [38 BP each]
Catalogue of Magical Beasts and Beings, Magic Lore L3/Q9 (3 copies) [18 BP each]
Physics, Philosophiae L8/Q14 [38 BP]
Ultor (The Avenger), Penetration L5/Q11 [26 BP]
History of the Order of Hermes, Order of Hermes Lore L5/Q15 (2 copies) [30 BP each]
Historia Hermetica, Order of Hermes Lore L6/Q13 (2 copies) [25 BP]
On Transmutation, Muto L12/Q13 [25 BP]
Riddles of Mars, Ignem L11/Q14 [25 BP]
To Command!, Rego L13/Q11 [24 BP]
Corrections and Expansions, Code of Hermes Lore L5/Q15 (2 copies) [30 BP each]
Eye of Aggamatto, Mentem L13/Q11 [24 BP]
Jupiter's Hammer, Auram L12/Q10 [22 BP]
The Hammer and the Hand, Brawl L3/Q10 [19 BP]
TOTAL BP: 561 BP
[strike]Lab Texts
Animal: 340 levels
Aquam: 260 levels
Corpus: 640 levels
Herbam: 379 levels
Imaginem: 520 levels
Mentem: 430 levels
Vim: 615 levels
TOTAL LAB TEXTS: 3184 levels[/strike]
(The exact list of lab texts can be found on the wiki)
Please feel free to double check my math.
Now all we need is for Marko to tell us what deals Lucas can make in Provencal and Iberia, given all this.
Hold up, I messed up the lab texts, we should only have 625 levels total- I was using the numbers at the tope of each form as total levels which makes no sense now that I am better rested.
We'll go with:
ReVi20r Aegis of the Hearth
ReVi30r Watching Ward
ReVi30 Circular Ward Against Demons
PeVi20 Demon’s Eternal Oblivion
CrTe35r Conjuring the Mystic Tower
MuTe25 Hardness of Adamite
ReMe20 Mind Trick of the Tremere
InMe45 Spectral Communion
PeIm20 Veil of Invisibility
InIm25 Summoning the Distant Image
CrIm40 The Shadow of Human Life
CrAn35 Wizard’s Mount
ReAq30 Bridge of Frost
CrAu40 Breath of the Open Sky
CrCo40r Incantation of the Body Made Whole
ReCo35 Leap of Homecoming
CrHe35r The Bountiful Feast
ReAn30 Commanding the Harnessed Beast
MuAn40 The Steed of Perseus
Cr(Re)Au30 Wings of Soaring Wind
Ooh, could I throw a couple of more things on the wish list?
For Solomon:
Level 5+ Summa, or Quality 17+ Tractatus for:
Dead Language: Aramaic
Dead Language: Ancient Greek
Dead Language: Hebrew
Level 5+ Summa of:
Area Lore: Ancient Middle East
Area Lore: Ancent Caspian Sea Area
Anything on Area Lore: Ancient Mesopotamia (note Ancient Magics says these are quite rare)
Obviously, all of these are related to his interest in studying the Language of Adam, and he's willing to pay for the personally if Vocis doesn't think the Covenant needs them.
For Acutus:
Any texts on ancient heroes of old or "exemplars" of human traits (for him to attempt to gain Insight from as he tries to invent a new mystery)
Quality 17+ tractatus! Do such things even exist?
They would be ultra premium and very rare. Twice normal cost at least.
Base 6, Com +5, Good Teacher, Resonance and Clarification squeeks us out to Q16. So it may be just out of range.
But with a Florilegia or an author with Mythic Communication or an appropriate Major Essential Virtue, that would hit it.
Super premium and ultra rare.
While we're dreaming, I'll also add the following for Lucas:
- Any Mutantes spell we can find (i.e., Boosted, Harnessed, and/or Tethered)
It'd be nice not to have to invent them all.
What additional books would be available in Spring 1241 when Lucas heads through Iberia?
Yeah, I wasn't really thinking. Two tractata that add up to at least that would probably work as well, just increase the study time. Basically Solomon has a 4 in each of those languages and wants to get them to a 5, which requires 25xp. A 17 quality gets him there because he is a Book Learner and a Linguist. So his source quality would be: 17+3*1.25 = 25 exactly.
Revised information as follows:
CURRENT WISH LIST
- Intelligo Su (better than Quality 10)
- Rego Tr (multiple, if possible)
- Animal Su (better than Quality 10)
- Aquum Su (better than Quality 10)
- Corpus Su (better than Quality 10)
- Imaginem Su (better than Quality 10)
- Mentem Su (better than Quality 11)
- Any Art but Au, Te, and Vi (Quality 15+)
- Any Art Tr (Quality 11+)
- Parma Magica Su (better than Quality 10)
- Second Sight Su or Tr
- Area Lore: Ancent Caspian Sea Area Su (Level 5+)
- Area Lore: Ancient Middle East Su (Level 5+)
- Charm Su
- Dead Language: Ancient Greek Su (Level 5+)
- Dead Language: Ancient Greek Tr
- Dead Language: Aramaic Su (Level 5+)
- Dead Language: Aramaic Tr
- Dead Language: Hebrew Su (Level 5+)
- Dead Language: Hebrew Tr
- Etiquette Su
- Intrigue Su
- Leadership Su
- Teaching Su
- Any texts on ancient heroes of old or "exemplars" of human traits
- Spell: MuVi20 Wizard's Reach (Mentem)
- Spell: ReVi50r Aegis of the Hearth
- Spell: InVi20 Numbness of the Gift
- Spell: InVi20 Piercing the Faerie Veil
- Spell: InVi20 Piercing the Infernal Veil
- Spell: InVi20 Piercing the Magical Veil
- Spell: ReMe40 The Face in the Mirror
- Spell: InAu20 Sailor’s Foretaste of the Morrow
- Spell: ReIm30 Image from the Wizard Torn
- Spell: InVi20 Numbness of the Gift
- Spell: PeVi30r Disenchant
- Spell: PeVi30 Unraveling the Fabric of Vim
- Spell: PeVi20 Unraveling the Fabric of Herbam
- Spell: PeVi20 Unraveling the Fabric of Ignem
- Spell: PeVi20 Unraveling the Fabric of Terram
- Spell: ReVi15 Gather the Essence of the Beast
- Spell: Any Mutantes spell (i.e., boosted, harnessed, or tethered)
- Spell Mastery Tr for popular spells
CURRENT TEXTS AVAILABLE FOR TRADE (as of 1237):
Summae
- Elementia, Artes Liberales L4/Q8 [20 BP]
- De Oratore ad Quintum fratrem libri tres, Artes Liberales L8/Q14 (3 copies) [38 BP each]
- Catalogue of Magical Beasts and Beings, Magic Lore L3/Q9 (3 copies) [18 BP each]
- Physics, Philosophiae L8/Q14 [38 BP]
- Ultor (The Avenger), Penetration L5/Q11 [26 BP]
- History of the Order of Hermes, Order of Hermes Lore L5/Q15 (2 copies) [30 BP each]
- Historia Hermetica, Order of Hermes Lore L6/Q13 (2 copies) [25 BP]
- On Transmutation, Muto L12/Q13 [25 BP]
- Riddles of Mars, Ignem L11/Q14 [25 BP]
- To Command!, Rego L13/Q11 [24 BP]
- Corrections and Expansions, Code of Hermes Lore L5/Q15 (2 copies) [30 BP each]
- Eye of Aggamatto, Mentem L13/Q11 [24 BP]
- Jupiter's Hammer, Auram L12/Q10 [22 BP]
- The Hammer and the Hand, Brawl L3/Q10 [19 BP]
TOTAL BP: 561 BP
Lab Texts
- ReVi20r Aegis of the Hearth
- ReVi30r Watching Ward
- ReVi30 Circular Ward Against Demons
- PeVi20 Demon’s Eternal Oblivion
- CrTe35r Conjuring the Mystic Tower
- MuTe25 Hardness of Adamite
- ReMe20 Mind Trick of the Tremere
- InMe45 Spectral Communion
- PeIm20 Veil of Invisibility
- InIm25 Summoning the Distant Image
- CrIm40 The Shadow of Human Life
- CrAn35 Wizard’s Mount
- ReAq30 Bridge of Frost
- CrAu40 Breath of the Open Sky
- CrCo40r Incantation of the Body Made Whole
- ReCo35 Leap of Homecoming
- CrHe35r The Bountiful Feast
- ReAn30 Commanding the Harnessed Beast
- MuAn40 The Steed of Perseus
- Cr(Re)Au30 Wings of Soaring Wind
TOTAL LAB TEXTS: 625 levels
Any last things for the wish list?
Also, when can we handle the actual trading?
Please do not rate books in BP. The covenant was built and established already. The in-game value is in Vis. Or quarter-pawns of it (round up to the nearest whole pawnfor the bulk value in trading). QP is similar to BP, but not exactly. Premium books havedouble value, and poor books have half value. And the rate for Abilities is distorted a bit.
Plus, it is plausible to presume a slight inequality to trades. We get a little less than we give. No hard rule here, self govern it. And if you put some in-game played out effort and a successful bargain roll, we might get a bit more than we give. I once had rules for this, but I scrapped them as a needless complication.
Part of the issue with 1241 trades os I have a number of slots to fill still that will depend on what trades you make- a book you sell may be copied again or a book you buy if not covered by calf and cow.
Here are our available texts in 1237 with values in qpv.
CURRENT TEXTS AVAILABLE FOR TRADE (as of 1237):
Summae
- Elementia, Artes Liberales L4/Q8 [20 qpv]
- De Oratore ad Quintum fratrem libri tres, Artes Liberales L8/Q14 (3 copies) [76 qpv each]*
- Catalogue of Magical Beasts and Beings, Magic Lore L3/Q9 (3 copies) [18 qpv each]
- Physics, Philosophiae L8/Q14 [76 qpv]*
- Ultor (The Avenger), Penetration L5/Q11 [26 qpv]
- Corrections and Expansions, Code of Hermes Lore L5/Q15 (2 copies) [30 qpv each]
- History of the Order of Hermes, Order of Hermes Lore L5/Q15 (2 copies) [30 qpv each]
- Historia Hermetica, Order of Hermes Lore L6/Q13 (2 copies) [31 qpv]
- On Transmutation, Muto L12/Q13 [25 qpv]
- Riddles of Mars, Ignem L11/Q14 [25 qpv]
- To Command!, Rego L13/Q11 [24 qpv]
- Eye of Aggamatto, Mentem L13/Q11 [24 qpv]
- Jupiter's Hammer, Auram L12/Q10 [22 qpv]
- The Hammer and the Hand, Brawl L3/Q10 [16 qpv]
TOTAL qpv: 722 qpv
* Note: These books are better than what the hermetic price guide says you can buy, even for 'premium' books.
Lab Texts
- ReVi20r Aegis of the Hearth
- ReVi30r Watching Ward
- ReVi30 Circular Ward Against Demons
- PeVi20 Demon’s Eternal Oblivion
- CrTe35r Conjuring the Mystic Tower
- MuTe25 Hardness of Adamite
- ReMe20 Mind Trick of the Tremere
- InMe45 Spectral Communion
- PeIm20 Veil of Invisibility
- InIm25 Summoning the Distant Image
- CrIm40 The Shadow of Human Life
- CrAn35 Wizard’s Mount
- ReAq30 Bridge of Frost
- CrAu40 Breath of the Open Sky
- CrCo40r Incantation of the Body Made Whole
- ReCo35 Leap of Homecoming
- CrHe35r The Bountiful Feast
- ReAn30 Commanding the Harnessed Beast
- MuAn40 The Steed of Perseus
- Cr(Re)Au30 Wings of Soaring Wind
TOTAL LAB TEXTS: 125 qpv
That's a total of 847 qpv of books we're trying to trade. Now, Lucas is going across the entirety of two tribunals to make these trades, so I'm going to assume he can eventually get rid of all the books. For the sake of discussion, let's assume a 90% value trade rate, which is 762 qpv. I'm not even entirely sure that's reasonable, since we've purposefully copied some high quality books. Then again, we're looking for some high quality books as well. I'm also assuming that any books we trade/sell will be under Cow & Calf, and that any books we trade/buy will be under Cow & Calf. That should even out across the books.
So, if we assume 762 qpv of books to buy/trade for, the next step is to figure out what books would be available. The fairest thing to do, I'd imagine, is to have someone else make up a list of what books Lucas can get, and have me pick from that list based on the wish list everyone gave, since Lucas is doing the footwork.
Any volunteers to make up a list of books avaialable for trade?
I'd begin with the spells from the corebook. These are very probably tradeable. The same for average books. OTOH, we have some good books to trade, which helps get a good deal.
So I'd take about 60% on our vis.
Spend it on corebook spells.
Once this is done, move on books, and spend the rest on average books.
We're left with 40% of our starting vis.
From these, take 25% of our starting vis.
Spend it on non-corebook spells. Nothing strikes me as that unusual, but let's say that one, at random, is not available to trade, whatever the reason.
Then spend the rest on good books. Likewise, pick one summa, at random, on which there's nothing at this level and the next.
That leaves us with 15% of our starting vis to spend on the better books. 2 other summaes should be unavailable at this level.
And before someone says that this means too few good books, remember: Spells are bought first, which pushes the books up.
For the arts at least we already have average books (depending on how you define average) on every art. Why do we need to allocate resources to buying what we already have?
That's a good point I had forgotten, thanks.
But it's not as much an impediment as it may sound.
Since, for example, he's searching for an Intellego Summa with Quality above 10, this means that even a L06/Q15 vain summa could qualify, and be useful for those magi wanting to train an apprentice, bringing them from 0 to 5 in a season. This goes for a lot of books on our list: They could be perfectly average but still useful to us.
As for Hermetic books quality, it is talked about in Covenants, in the library chapter.
And if this ain't enough, we also have game stats for books by great men such as Euclid, Ptolemy or Aristotle and more for inspiration.
We need Lab Texts for Aegis of the Hearth at better levels, a 40 and a 50.
Just wanted to bump this to see if anyone was willing or able to figure out what books are available for trade.
1237 is listed above, unless we are talking about what he can get, which would be a very long list based on the fact you are traveling two tribunals...