Chapter 8: Council meeting

That should settle it then… Justus looks at Tatiana. Formally welcome to the covenant. Then he takes a short pause and looks at all of his soldaes in turn. Regarding the hedge tomes we make sure that copies are available as soon as possible. But what then? I would most happily trade them for mystical insight into the witches of the forests magic. His border to an even bigger issue that perhaps we must vote on. What can a member of the covenant do with the covenants resources? Is it fair to assume that a member can make up a copy and trade it for his own good or should such matter be handled by the council or should the profit belong to the covenant. For example my book “What can be learned from studying hedge magic’s? A hermetic perspective and reflections upon non hermetic magic.” Is a part of the library and can be easily copied by our Latin school and then traded. If one of us other than me made a deal for that copy… Perhaps it is going to be traded for two pawns of vis. To whom does the vis belong? The covenant or the magus who made the trade? Also who has the right to make such a decision?

Tatiana listens to the words and starts to think. "Well, I am thinking that anything that is part of the covenant library or copy of something in the covenent library belongs to the covenant as do the rewards from such. We might as a council of mages in the covenant chose to award a fee for taking the time out to arrange a sale or trade of something in the library but that would be for council to decide. Anything that a mage writes themselves or is bought for their personal collection is theirs and anything they do with it goes totally to them. For example, we got these hedge magic books as a group for the covenant, they belong to covenant so any rewards from them belong to the covenant to be shared out by council, charter or however we organize among ourselves as a group. Had I bought a book in town though, it would be mine."

She considers, "Which makes me wonder about stipends of vis and silver that we can acquire goods of our own. I think trading copies of these books might be good but we have to be sure we are not trading it to those that will use it against us."



I will try again alter

I would say that if a mage has written a book or spell andmade it avaialble to the other magi that book or spell remians their property and it can only be traded with their consent unless they have specifically given it to the covenant as we did when we scribed spells we knew for the covenant library.
As to the assorted loot we have taken from enemies of the order all of it qas aquired as part of collective efforts so I would say that it is the propertyof the covenant. Trading it to the hedge witches of this locality is perfectly reasonable as this covenant was established with the aim of making freinds and learning any magic tricks these people have and Justus as you are the founder of the covenant and it is your project I leave the judgement of what is needed to you. I don't think even with some additional knowledge a few hedge witched pose a threat to this covenant , I am after all a Flambeau and the rest of you have had hermetic training.
As to giving vis or silver to ourselves on a regular basis I see no need to , the covenant is short of silver indeed we are running at a loss so we cannot afford to give a signifigant amount of money to each magus , so if there are any substantive purchases a magus wishes to make they should bring it to the council and we will see if it can be afforeded. As to Vis we do not need to hoard vis , while Vis remains in the covenant store it is available for anyone who needs it and can be used to trade for books or other hermetic materials if we indiovidually fragement the covenants wealth and hoard it then the wealth cannot be used for anything. If there is a project you need Vis for ask the council and unless it is a truly excessive project I am sure you will be able to take what you need for item creation, familiar bonding , study or ritual casting.
This brings me to another area there are two outstanifn hermetic relations we have the first is that we need to see that Constantia and her covenant pay for threatening us and we should see what we can do to harm them within the code. The second is the covenant of Rastevan we have a tenetaive alliance agaisnt Constantina with them and an agreement to trade vis for books with them"

Mariella's voice goes flat with hatred at the mention of constantia

"Constantia? Who is this Constantia and why do we have emnity against them? We could seek to learn the source of their income and seek to make it ours or destroy it. We also then must seek to find another source of income for ourselves we do not have enough for what we need. What is our current income sources? Keep in mind, I ask this because I am from Novgorod and I do not know this tribunal well." Tatiana says softly.

Constantia is from Novograd :open_mouth:


I second that motion heartily.
Tatiana as proven a valuable and reliable sodales, and I am happy to welcome her to Ad Fons.

I wonder...
This magic seems pretty inferior to our own. We should look into it. If some simpleton like this magistrate could master it, maybe anyone can? After all, he didn't seem to be gifted.
If so, maybe we could form some of the best and brightest of our young latin graduates into this form of magic? While weaker than hermetic magic, this could still be useful to have around

Anything found together belongs to the covenant.
Anything obtained through covenant ressources belong to the covenant, with artefacts being a special case. This include trade of books and vis.

Anything you write belongs to you. Anything obtained through your own efforts belongs to you.

We should have a personnal right to some of the vis. Say, 4 form pawns per year. (I seem to recall we had some, but can't recall the numbers). What you do or gain with this vis is yours.
We can ask the council for more vis. If possible, this should be given away, but each 4 form pawns counts as a boon, save if used to create an item for the covenant, trade for the covenant, or cast a ritual for it (like the Aegis).

We need to track boons... What of this?
Every member shall have a 0 count of Boons. If 2 members vie for the same ressource, the one with the fewest boons shall have it, and increase its received boons number by one.
Any season of service performed for the covenant decreases your boons number by one, including creation of magical items and writing of books.

Any new member after this shall enter the covenant with as many boons that the highest total + 1.

I believe this should cover it all.

A fine point.

These witches are not our allies. They may even become ennemies someday. We should be careful here. Maybe give them only part of the knowledge, or withdraw some informations from the books (ie lower lever and quality)?

Sadly, this is an important point. We really have a problem with mundane wealth. While this demeans ourselves we must take steps to solve this. I believe our efforts have created wealth, but the constant growth of our projects drains it even more.

That witch! :imp:
Yes, we must find a way to make her pay, and, more importantly, to ensure our security from her.

We should also use our alliance. What books do we want to trade for?

"I am always interested in unusual spells. Perhaps a copy of a stronger Aegis if we have the vim for it. Perhaps books on tribunal lore and laws so we can know more about the precedents of hermetic law in Novgorod. I never paid much attention to it." Tatiana says about the book trades. "As for revenge, we need to send agents to gather information about the enemy. We know little about her other than that she is skilled in the arts."

Actually we know that she is unscrupulous, treacherous ,ambitious, and vindinctive she is also a follower of the school of Flabeau if I remember correctly and the leader of her covenant in Novograd. She also employs spies and agents such that she has been able to gather information about our local area with some effectiveness. I certainly think it likely that she has tried to secure a spy within our covenant although I doubt she as foolish enougth to use magic to do so

Tatiana considers and frowns, "I do not like this. While we need to get an agent into her covenant, we need to take steps to insure she has none here. I guess my next project will have to be study of Intellego so I can get a spell to determine loyalty of all our grogs." she really needs to know more about the details of this maga and her covenant. "do we know anything about her covenant and the mages there other than belligerent nature of the woman herself. Anything of arts and skills?"

We have never met any of Constantias minions , I assume they are mainly magi of House Tytalus and Ex Miscallanae as most magi of the other houses would have nothing to do with someone like her.

"Maybe we should find out. Perhaps the truth is that they need rescue and freeing from her control as much as anyone else. Then again, perhaps there are no minions. Her so called covenant is a bunch of mundane servants and her personal library." Tatiana suggest. The lack of knowledge to plan action is the biggest issue.

My knowledge of the hinterlands of the Novograd tribunal is somewhat limited as you and Ardeth both orginate from that Tribunal you could perhaps find out what her covenants status is , how many mages vote at Tribunal and such matters which should be fairly easy to learn from your paran's

There may surely be a card to play in finding one of her sodales ready to betray constantia. But this'll prove difficult, as they clearly fear her. Seeking help in novgorod may be better, although, since her goals would help that tribunal to encroach on the rhine, I'm not sure they'll help us.

For now, we need to rout out any spies and... Hey... What if we enginered a fall between constantia and one of her sodales? If we could bring constantia to believe one of them is helping us, this might divert her attention and promote dissent.

"It MAY prove difficult? how would you know until you try. I would think they would love a chance to overthrow and destroy the source of fear in their lives. If nothing else, we can marshall a bunch of Votes to perhaps get a minor charge against her at tribunal that if we take it all the way to tribunal vote, will get her marched. Then magi from all over the order will be thrilled to hunt her. You never know until you try. You know nothing about her, her covenant, her weaknesses or anything except that she makes you wet your pants in fear and naysay trying to learn more. Yes, killing spies is one thing but that is trivial until she creates the next one." Tatiana is not going to be cowed by a bully and doesn't fear her. Then again, her parma is strongest against ignem.

You will apologise for calling me a coward or face my wrath. I fear no one.
Mariella is cleary furious.

Do either of our mages from Novograd know anything about Constantia's covenant? I know the players don't.

In my vision of Novgorod each covenant leader hold their own covenant in quite a strong leash so little knowledge is spread amongst the tribunal. I imagined that Novgorod is a large tribunal with large resources of vis that give magi the opportunity to live in peace if they wish and mind their own business if they so wish. Any magus or maga (Constantia) that wish to command greater power and several magi must use force to do so else the magi they try to dominate just would run of into the wilderness and live happily ever after. (This is my interpretation on how the mundane living condition has shaped the tribunal. Eastern Europe held onto serfdom much longer than western Europe due to the fact that serfs could so easily find a new home if they wished and their where plenty of untamed land) I also imagine that the tribunals power is relatively weak and that the enforcement of the code is much more of a matter of who has the stronger muscle to claim their right that it is a question of law.

"If the words fit? I am not the one afraid to approach the idiot flambeau's covenant to try to cause her covenant to vote her out of their ranks, overthrow her and join with us to defeat her. I am not the one stalling about trying to determine her weak points. You know what you can do if you want to force me to change my words but I do not fear Constanzia and a few more seasons preparation and I will be more than happy to see how strong she really is when four rocks suddenly fly at her to kill and then rise up to fly at her again, over and over and over again. Just need a spell or two to hide a shadow." Tatiana thinks that certamen might bring out the blood and courage in her coven mates if they are not going to turn their efforts against the true enemy.

"You are an arrogant idiot with no concept of magical combat. If you were stupid enougth to try you pathetic little rocks agaisnt me they would fail , any decently trained Flambeau mage would defeat them with ease. Your posturing in the town was mildly amusing , here it is ridiculous one of us here is a trained battle mage and one is a silly girl who should go back to playing with her flowers and string . Constantia would kill you where you stood , apart from the embarrasment to this covenant it would not be problem."
Your schemes and plans may be practical however as is obvious to even a simpleton or Ex Miscallanae maga they require some basis of information to be known before they can be turned from wishes and day dreams to facts. The first thing we will do is contact our ally Rastaven and see what we can trade for from them and what they can tell us about our mutual enemy then we can plan our actions with some information and perhaps with more common sense from our newsest member.
Mariella leaves.

I considered Certeman but I would be the challanger and so would just lose, making Mariella angrier as there is no way Tatania would except Perdo and that leaves me with at most a 1 pt advantage and she would choose imagonem or Auram and kick my ass, specialists don't challange

Tatiana has a look of amusement on her face as Mariella rants and insult and then walks out rather than face the accusaton. She will need to work up a version of her stone throwing spell to throw pieces of bone, wood and other materials.

OOC since we don't really know each other yet. It would be iffy. yes, I would say pick another for Perdo but It would be interesting what you did pick. So far you have seen me do level 20 spells for PeIm, ReTe, ReCo and level 10 ReMe so which technique could be interesting and questionable. I don't know your form strengths and weaknesses other than you have some vim and corpus. Odds are I would pick Mentem as form. Although I might do corpus because while I know you are like good at it, it is also my strongest form.