Chapter IV (1234-1240)

[The_Fixer]

@Trogdor

"But you're right, we only have a handful of people and familiars with the second sight. Unless we were military in our assignment of them to duty, we'd have a hard time covering the skies. The Aegis will help with certain magical creatures no matter how they arrive. But old fashioned eyeballs are the best first line of defense. Just having the guards on the walls cognizant that threats could come from that direction is a help. They can't look up all the time, but they can keep the skies in their scanning rotation when on duty. And, frankly, the enchanted helmets isn't a bad idea. Spread out across the magi of the covenant it shouldn't be too great a burden on any one maga."

The witch laughs softly
Not the miracle solution I was hoping for, I'll confess.
She takes a wax tablet, scribes some charts
Going with a forceless effect, I'd calculate at best a 5th magnitude effect*, which means we won't be able to mass-produce them. I'm not a fan, but I don't see much of an alternative

• Base 1, +1 touch, +2 sun, +4 vision, +1 enhanced effect = 20, +uses per day. Since we only care about being resisted by invisible MR, we can probably drop the enhanced effect, but still, ugh!

@silveroak

Not present to comment, but Felicia can lend second sight to a guard or two at a time... not sue that is a good plan for day to day though...

As you say. It can help if we know there's gonna be something, but otherwise...
Another option would have her grant SS permanently while we forcefed her vis, but that's not really cost effective.

@Marko Markoko

I want to thank everyone for being patient. I have been dealing with a lot of personal bullshit as of late and my work here suffers for it. I thank everyone for waiting, and I will correct things soon. I know, I keep saying that, but I am serious and honest.

It's cool, Marko.
Good luck, and have faith.

[ironboundtome]

I'm not sure about the approach using Discerning Eye, as it only detects Level-15 illusions. That will not cover a base invis effect. Boosting to 30 gets you there but can be crafted by less people.

What about doing a dedicated illusion detection spell instead in an item which Sees and had a linked trigger to a secondary effect? It's very similar but you could craft the effect to monitor the sky all around, rather than just where the guard looks.
Akin to the bell which detects Intangible Tunnels. Rather than creating many helmets the magi craft a detection system.
(Sorry to interject, but I love this stuff. Wish I had s theorist in the room to RP it out)

[Trogdor]

"We should talk to Antoine about this," Lucas adds. "He's only assistant Artifex right now. But that's the best we have for the moment. He may have some ideas about how to maximize the ability of the covenant to produce the magic items we need. I doubt that there's any simple solution. But he might have some ideas."

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@ironboundtome

I'm not sure about the approach using Discerning Eye, as it only detects Level-15 illusions. That will not cover a base invis effect. Boosting to 30 gets you there but can be crafted by less people.

What about doing a dedicated illusion detection spell instead in an item which Sees and had a linked trigger to a secondary effect? It's very similar but you could craft the effect to monitor the sky all around, rather than just where the guard looks.
Akin to the bell which detects Intangible Tunnels. Rather than creating many helmets the magi craft a detection system.
(Sorry to interject, but I love this stuff. Wish I had s theorist in the room to RP it out)

All good points.

[The_Fixer]

@ironboundtome

I'm not sure about the approach using Discerning Eye, as it only detects Level-15 illusions. That will not cover a base invis effect. Boosting to 30 gets you there but can be crafted by less people.

That's the beauty of the thing: You're not trying to detect an illusion, thus the forceless casting. You're using the extromission effect to detect an area protected by Magic Resistance, which appears dark. This is even explicitely written out

To compare:

• Forceless casting, a magus covered with a magical disguise: you'd detect the MR, but not the magical disguise.
• Penetrating casting, a magus covered with a magical disguise: you wouldn't detect the MR, but would perceive the magical disguise if your Eye was high enough.
• Penetrating casting, a magus without a magical disguise: You don't detect the MR.
• Forceless casting, a magus without a magical disguise: You detect the MR.

@ironboundtome

What about doing a dedicated illusion detection spell instead in an item which Sees and had a linked trigger to a secondary effect? It's very similar but you could craft the effect to monitor the sky all around, rather than just where the guard looks.
Akin to the bell which detects Intangible Tunnels. Rather than creating many helmets the magi craft a detection system.
(Sorry to interject, but I love this stuff. Wish I had s theorist in the room to RP it out)

Please, come in!

That would be the best solution... Oh my. Oh my.
An effect with a forceless discerning eye.
A linked effect which casts a PeVi imaginem dispelling effect.

@Trogdor

"We should talk to Antoine about this," Lucas adds. "He's only assistant Artifex right now. But that's the best we have for the moment. He may have some ideas about how to maximize the ability of the covenant to produce the magic items we need. I doubt that there's any simple solution. But he might have some ideas."

Very much agreed. It's been a long time since I talked to him, but he was an immense improvement over the oaf.