Covenant Discussion

In short, If Archimedes is OK with it, I don't see why not. As long as they aren't the personal build points, I don't see a problem. If they are his personal build points, keep in mind he can choose to share or not share that book, IMO. His character might be holding that book hostage! :smiley:

Long explanation of rationale follows. This isn't similar to a situation we had in Canaries, where Arya wanted to improve my crappy books (of the common build points) with her build points. Those crappy books were thematic to the saga's start, where an infernalist (apprentice) magi absconded with many of the best books from the library. It made sense for there to be crappy books behind. In this saga, we're going to insert crappy books for Arts that are uncovered for "free." And, adding 5 quality to this book doesn't push it into story territory, it was already there.

No, this is a book from common resources, so this should not be a problem. I'm using personal points for this, by I'm willing to make them shared for this purpose.

That was my thought as well.

So, unless Archimedes objects, I'm going to allocate 5 of my personal build points to improve the level of his Terram summa.

That leaves me with 23 build points to reallocate. I think I'll go with a L8Q10 primer on Herbam from Caprasia of Criamon and a lab text for a level 25 InAn spell to talk to animals (Base 10, +2 Voice, +1 Concentration). These were personal gifts from her when he was Gauntleted. Petronius will make those available on loan.

Titus can probably be persuaded, and would infact likely (if asked) suggest that as far as possibly, we should all try to help with eachother's longevity rituals.

Leadership s a must though.

Petronius has a Leadership score of 1, so as a Bonisagus he can manage 2 assistants. I think that being part of a lab team would constitute a valid exposure for Leadership for all involved (in place of Magic Theory or one of the Arts involved).

I HR'ed this in Bibracte, so that Bonisagus always have an advantage in the lab. They have an unwritten Puissant Leadership when working in the lab, meaning that their Leadership score is treated as being two higher than it actually is, when determining the number of assistants. It only applies to labwork I really hated how HoH:TL benefit given to Bonisagus could be negating by someone spending 15 xp, and that until a Bonisagus spends 30 xp, he gets no benefit from Leadership. I also ruled out lab specialties, as a means of adding an additional person for labwork.

Something to consider here...

Another little change, since Petronius now has Deficient Perdo. Swapping out the lab text to Unraveling the Fabric of Terram (PeVi 20) and replacing it with Suppressing the Wizard's Handiwork (ReVi 20).

To be more specific, here's all that needs to be completed for the build points:

  • Archimedes: detail the 100 spell levels of lab texts
  • Jonathan: all of your build points

Consider that a gentle nudge to get these completed as soon as you reasonably can. :wink:

If I have power at home it's on my to do list... :smiley:

...and my 50 private points

Indeed! I had forgotten about those. :blush:

Aedituus would not mind helping as well, and can contribute +8 to the lab total. He has assisted with an LR before, if that makes a difference, and is likely to also want to create a LR for his shield grog, Edgar, at some point, and would appreciate the help with that as well. (Does a magus personal CrCo lab total need to exceed 30 to make a LR for someone else, or do the assistant totals help with this as well?)

I may not be able to finish those the weekend.

Not a problem for me. I have the germ of the story that gets us this book, but the ultimate level should not matter. JL, were you thinking that the stories are pre-saga events, or is this a story you want in-saga?

Well, I'm thinking post starting...as it slows down development a bit.
Otherwise, I'm failing to see the point. Unless there's some unresolved issue from that story that comes back to bite us later on... :smiley:

I was hoping to use the wiki to finalize my build points... And it's down.
Doing it from the forum is driving me crazy... :-/

seconded.

As I mentioned, you can access the sub-pages directly using the url. Here's the links:
Build Points
Library
Description of Vis Sources

The individual books do not use sub-pages, so there is no problem viewing and editing them, or creating new ones. The can be accessed either from the library, or from the Category:Book page (which includes even books that are not linked to the covenant).

Same thing for the magi's stats:
Aedituus
Praxiteles
Petronius
Titus Aurelius

Let me know if you need the url for other pages.

I'm inclined to let Gulla's build points stand, whether he gets involved at a later point, or not.

With just four of us (I can count, right? Archimedes, Arthur, Tellus, myself, good, I can count!) at 260 total bps each that gets us to 1040 bps. Adding just his 210 shared bps in, that takes us to 1250, which is exactly Spring at medium power. I'm also inclined to waive the story requirements for those big books, as we are otherwise weak in Creo and Corpus, the only exception to that is Aedituus who has a Creo score of 10... Everyone else is 6(Petronius) to 4 (Praxiteles)...

I'm also thinking that maybe we should combine the vim sources, and I'd add another pawn of vim to the source for a total of 20 pawns of Vim. Maybe we don't find out about it until we actually do the ritual for the first time, when we're all finally present, someone brings it up that we should do this ritual, and voila... Big surprise, 2 rooks of vis. Just a suggestion, the 12 pawns Tellus has appears to be otherwise undefined.

No problem, I can add them back easily.

Actually, just for the records, Petronius also has a score of 9 in Corpus, in addition to 6 in Creo.

Note, however, there there is a slew of things we are not counting build points for. Specialists, the price of the shared lab, the extra size of many of our labs. There's over a hundred points just there, certainly. And we'll be getting vis stores for free, based on the vis sources that we have.

Together, those are actually moving us into the lower edge of high power.

So I would suggest keeping only the 4 summae (Creo, Animal, Corpus and Magic Theory) purchased with Gulla's build points (123 bp). Let's drop the Corpus vis source (5 pawns for 25 bp) and the lab texts (45 bp).

What about the idea of adjusting the number of pawns based on the number of participants in the ritual? Such as 7 pawns (in the silver bowl) + 3 pawns par Gifted participant (in the laurel branch)? With 4 magi that's 19 pawns (7 from my source, 12 from Tellus' source). That way, if magi are added at a later point, they get 3 pawns of Vim vis in addition to their 50 bp of private resources. (And perhaps this this caps out at 6 magi.)