We know that by extending oneâ€™s parma to another person you negate the negative aspects of the Gift. Can one do the same to an animal, specifically a horse so that someone Gifted can ride it?
We decided that one can (and a gentle Gifted magus will so that his blatantly Gifted apprentice can come along for a ride), but Iâ€™m curious to hear the forumâ€™s take on it. Especially any arguments disagreeing.
I think (going from memory here) it was mentioned in True Lineages that Tremere would like to have mounts with their own Might, as extending Parma over them was unsatisfactory in the fact that it weakened the defense of the maga in question. While it is still a theory, that seems like reasonable in-game confirmation to me.
I think you are right, although willing could probably be stretched to include most animals relatively used to him, or even asleep, depending on the storyguide. And there would be the secondary benefit of Magic Resistance. Plus, exposure to such magics might even lead to the mount gaining a Might score of its own, in conjection with other exposures/experiments. That would actually be an interesting long term side project for a Saga, particularly with the animal lovers in the group.
I don't think it's exclusively Ars5, but it's certainly there: p.76 "The Parma Magica blocks these effects of the Gift entirely. A maga with a Parma Magica is not affected by the Gifts of other magi[...]"
Can't find it spelled out as such in earlier editions, though it's been buzzing in the background for ages.
Anyway, it wouldn't help a non-gentle gifted magus ride a horse on his own - though he could keep the horse scared primarily of him and ignoring other gifted individuals.
I agree. And it does give some interesting scenes, when the apprentice wakes in the morning before the master, or returns from an errand, and the master's Parma doesnt cover her and she starts to (re-)feel the unease of the masters gift.
I am however a uncomfartable with the ideas of sharing the parma with a beast of burden - not the sharing in itself, but that it removes one of the real challenges of the Gift if a horse will accpet being ridden in this way. I would house rule it out by saing that an ordinary animal cannot accept the parma (the part of being a willing target)?
Well - the quotes you cited above I read very differently. No where do I see that those require the protected to have the Gift to have the parma shield them from other magi's 'bad wibe". The Gift of which is spoken is to me the gift of others, that would other wise have had a negative social impression on the shielded person.
In the section on apprentices it specifically states that failing to extend your parma to protect your apprentice from the effects of the gift is a low crime.
The parma ritual does take some time and require a willing participant to enact. I can't imagine that blatent gift and gentle gift would appeal to peopletoo much more if parma did not protect people from the gift's effects.
This is not what i was trying to say.
My interpretation is that Parma blocks the effect of The Gift , for the Gifted.
That extending Parma to cover an animal or non-Gifted person does not block the effects of The Gift.
It provides Magic Resistance only.
Interesting - I never thought of the sharing the parma as something that took time. The rules say only that you have to touch the person in question, not that you have to redo the parma ritual, so this is what I've went with so far. But I can see the argument in favour of having to do the ritual over again - for flavour if nothing else.
True and very interesting, but I've found that his has its limitations. We have the rutine of having apprentices played as player characters, and the apprentices' daily rutines and chores often bring them roaming the covenant without their master with them - and I would expect this to be commonplace throughout the Order, but either that crime is seldom charged or the apprentice has to stay near the master and not run such errands!
I do not think it is in the RAW, and I see your reasons for thinking it devalues those Virtues/Flaws. I actually never thought of this as a loophole for magi to avoid the problems of the Gift, but now such a loophole has been discovered I can think of several ways to close it with house ruling.
A) to rule as you suggest, that only persons with the Gift is thusly 'numbed' to the Gift of others,
B) As Erik suggest, to rule that the Parma has to be redone - which takes time (and consent),
C) to rule that this shielding from the negativity of the Gift only does so against persons not protected by the same parma = so if you spread your parma to someone, then that someone would still be creeped out by your Gift.
D) In my troupe we have put a lot of emphasis on the 'numbing' of the parma; that the more powerfull it is the less colourfull the world seems and the less does food taste (as a consequence our food obsessed Flambeau lets down his parma during his frequent eating...) etc, and this is also what 'numbs' the sensation of someone elses Gift. In this light, being bestowed with the Parma and the world turning drab and somewhat grayish might freak a mundane more than the Gift itself.