House Criamon, Walking Backwards, and Illuminationism

Suhrawardi himself would find the thought a little perplexing, I believe, since obviously you don't want to have to be purified through punishment by taking an animal form. The Criamon magus might argue that punishing purification now is better than the agonizing purification that those laden with sins will have to undergo in the Hypostasis (what Suhrawardi would understand as part of the World of Images) but I think both Suhrawardi and the majority of the Criamon would agree that a much simpler and more effective way to do that is just to start living your life in an apt manner.

Perhaps a few adherents of the (possible) Illuminationist trend in House Criamon might recommend stretches of time in animal form as a way to expedite the process of spiritual purification for those who come to the path of right action late in life, that's within reason, but even then I feel like most Criamon would point out that the good one could do (especially someone as powerful as an elder magus) by living aptly in the usual manner probably helps your case more than the punishment of animal form.

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(Attempts to picture a Criamon magus telling a Bjornaer maga that they are doing the whole living as an animal thing wrong, fails. Too horrible.)

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I had to stop lurking and make an account for this, I LOVE House Criamon in their 5e form and this series is so cool! I'm also learning a lot about later Islamic philosophy, I never read much on the topic beyond Averroes.

Quite shocked and pleased both to see just how similar and yet so different Suhrawardi is from Criamon, the Criamon probably will flip out (in a good way) when they find out.

How will they find out, in fact? Arab Criamon take back their own knowledge?

I like the quotes at the start, maybe in Mythic Europe he really was talking to Aristotle's ghost!

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I also made my account for this! Thanks for reading, HoH: MC Criamon rock.

Not just you, honestly. There's this tendency for people to assume nothing interesting happens in Islamic philosophy after the Sack of Baghdad, which is baffling, but part of that whole "End of the Golden Age" paradigm that is rejected by modern historians of the Islamicate.

They're definitely kindred spirits, IMO - Suhrawardi and Criamon the Founder even share a similar sense of humor judging from the latter's description in HoH: MC. I think the most interesting thing is that they each present to the other a fresh take from many shared points of agreement.

Quick note first, these early luminaries (heh) of the Ishraqi school are pretty much all non Arab. Suhrawardi and Qutb al-Din Shirazi were Persian, Shahrazuri was Turkic/Kurdish, and Ibn Kammuna was Jewish. It's certainly Islamicate, but not Arab, although there are later Arab Ishraqis.

The obvious point of contact for the Criamon as far as Ishraqiyya is concerned is the Path of Walking Backwards, but in 1220 they certainly aren't going to be learning it from books. The first collection and production of Ishraqi books following the execution of Suhrawardi happens a little later than that and they probably aren't going to be getting those books immediately.

Now I have to admit, the reason I started thinking about this at all was because of a character I was making for a game set in the 1260s Ilkhanate - I bring it up because I think my dude Mu'hibb al-Din Hasan ibn Sayf al-Din Abu Bakr ibn Hokkabaz Yağıbasan al-Tuqadi presents a pretty reasonable early introduction of the Criamon to Ishraqiyya. His parens is a Criamon maga on the Path of Walking Backwards from the Levant Tribunal - a more conventional Criamon Sufi of the type discussed in the initial post - but he's born and raised in Seljuk Konya and spends a lot of time fostered with Criamon from the Thebes Tribunal (he primarily lives well outside the realm of either Tribunal by game start, in modern day Iranian Azerbaijan, but is legally part of Thebes.) He studied with Shahrazuri, who already has a relatively small circle of students in Konya at this time, thanks to his mater doing the old trick of getting him time with a mundane scholar as a supplementary tutor. By game start a little past his Gauntlet, Mu'hibb al-Din has already worked out the basics of a Criamonized Illuminationism to share with other members of his clutch, giving the Criamon access to the new scholarship about as soon as it is available.

My favorite part about the Dream Dialogue is that Dream Aristotle tells Suhrawardi that Plato was actually right about a number of points on which the two ancients disagreed, now that he has had time to reflect on the questions in Heaven. It's the sort of weird thing a Criamon would write.

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In Mythic Europe, Aristotle is a Daimon that can be summoned.

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The Suhrawardian Hermes

A bit of an intermission/general interest post: a short look at the "Arabic Hermes" as Suhrawardi would have understood him and how the Criamon could now have the answer to a vexing question for those so inclined in the Order.

The Islamic Hermetica seems to provide an answer for Hermetic magi interested in "The Problem of Hermes" - described in this sidebar from the tribunal book The Sundered Eagle:

Seeker magi are most interested in Hermes. His two most intriguing characteristics are as a god of invention and as a god of transition. According to myth, Hermes invented music, writing, arithmetic, and magic; this characteristic seems to make him a creature of the Magic Realm according to theorists. Other stories make him a human, whose knowledge was so great that he divined the secret of immortality, transcended his humanity, and became a god; this is a path to the Magic Realm that many aspire to emulate. However, as a god of doorways, the bringer of sleep, and the guide of souls to the Underworld, he occupies a quintessential liminal role and thus is ideally characterized as a faerie. Furthermore, he was offered worship by travelers and merchants, and his shrines often retain a Faerie aura. The most satisfactory answer to many is that there were two or more beings who went by the name of Hermes, and so all of these options — and more — are potentially true.

The Islamicate conception of Hermes (or rather the three different Hermeses) is first codified by the great astrologer Abu Ma'shar and represents a truly interesting tradition of intellectual synthesis. Abu Ma'shar drew his story of the First Hermes from a now vanished Arabic language chronographical text based on Syriac sources. Panodorus and Annianus passed down this tale of the First Hermes from Hellenic Egypt's Book of Sothis. At the same time, they make much use of apocryphal Enoch literature and combined Biblical and pagan (Greek as well as Egyptian and Babylonian) chronographic traditions. The chronicle of Annianus became an authority on ancient dates throughout Syriac chronographic literature. These chronicles were the first to identify Hermes with Enoch (Prophet Idris in the Islamic world). Abu Ma'shar drew his knowledge of the Second Hermes from the Iranian astrological tradition represented by the Middle Persian recension of Dorotheus, which told of a Hermes that was from Babylon who became king of Egypt. The chronographic works at his disposal included dates of the ancient Iranian kings, and he, or one of his sources, thereby identified the Second Hermes with mythical Iranian sage-king Hōšang, the Pēšdād. The famed philosopher-scholar Al-Kindi related an account about a Hermes of more recent times who was the author of the more mundane Hermetica in circulation - such as the books on healing, dream interpretation, and travel routes - that were perhaps unlike the great secret lore expected from the two ancient Hermeses. This report, which did not match those received from the Syriac-Persian-Egyptian chronographic tradition that the Muslims had painstakingly collected and harmonized, was included in the work of Abu Ma'shar and thus all Islamic Hermetica after - perhaps in order to fill out an idea of “Hermes Triplicate in Wisdom” (Hirmis al-mu'tallat).

The Islamic Hermetica seems to elegantly provide the multiple Hermeses answer some Seeker Magi already suspected was true, even neatly dividing into the master of science and high theurgy in the Ancient Hermeses and the more prosaic Third Hermes involved with the liminal like travel and sleep; the split corresponding to the predicted Magic/Faeire split. The Islamic Hermetica actually goes a bit farther - not only does it have three Hermeses to fit the description of a Hermes Thrice Great, Triplicate in Wisdom - one can easily connect each of the Hermeses to one of the three non-Infernal realms. The First Hermes is considered to be the same as the Prophet Enoch/Idris, an antediluvian prophet-sage who is described in the work of Ibn Gulgul (citing Abu Ma'shar) as

...the first who built temples and glorified God in them. His home was Upper Egypt; he chose that [place] and built the pyramids and cities of clay there. He feared that knowledge would pass away in the Flood, so he built the monumental temples.

The First Hermes can, from this, easily be called The Divine Hermes.

The Second Hermes is the classic concept of Hermes Thrice-Great, understood in the Islamicate as the great progenitor of the scientific tradition. Back to Ibn Gulgul:

He was skilled in the knowledge of medicine and philosophy, knew the natures of numbers, and his student was Pythagoras the Arithmetician. This Hermes renewed the knowledge of medicine, philosophy, mathematics, and magic that was lost during the Flood at Babylon.

The Second Hermes might be interpreted as The Magic Hermes.

The Third Hermes seems primarily described as a healer and wandering magician, dealing with transformations through alchemy and travel.

He was a philosopher and a physician, knowledgeable in the natures of lethal drugs and infectious animals. He traveled around in different countries, wandering in them, knowing the foundations of cities, their natures, and the natures of their peoples. He knew all the craft of transformation and dreams.

This one is less clear cut than the last two, I believe, but the discussions of wanderings, natures, transformations and sleep all lend some support to the final piece of the puzzle - the Third Hermes as The Faerie Hermes.

Now, I believe the Criamon interacting with the Islamicate Hermetica through mystically inclined Muslim members of the House might now have a very strong explanation for the Problem of Hermes, one that seems well sourced in medieval terms and is relatively rational - but honestly I'm not sure what this means for the Order at large. It's certainly very interesting to think about, however.

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I doubt you would find the God of the Dominion in the pyramids, but you may find the pagan gods, aka Faerie. Of course, I can understand that islamic theology may wish to connect those giant buildings to God of the Dominion, but I find that retro-explanation no more convincing than connecting Heracles to Samson and retconing the son of Zeus into being a servant of the abrahamic God. If you check Lands of the Nile, you'll find most egyptian pyramids have magic auras, with some faerie auras that can be found in external buildings connected to worship.

Just my two cents, if you want to give a different realm to the three Hermes, I'd make a magic hermes, a faerie hermes, and an hermes that bridge the two realms, and i would treat any suggestion that Hermes was an ancient prophet of God that was perfectly comfortable building tombs for pagan gods (pharaohs) with a grain of salt.

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This is def true, but the whole building the Pyramids part is mostly incidental to the First Hermes being Divine, the core is that writers from the Syriac chronicles on to the Islamicate saw him as the same figure as the Biblical Enoch/Idris, grandson of Adam. Annianus and Abu Ma'shar might just be wrong about the Pyramids part, of course, it's not particularly important to the synthesis of the Enochian literature and Hermetica.

From Sa'id al-Andalusi:

Abu Ma'shar said, “The Hermeses (al-Harāmis) are a group of different individuals. Among them is the Hermes who was before the Flood, who the Hebrews claim is the prophet Enoch, who is Idris, peace be upon him.

From Ibn Gulgul:

“The Hermeses are three. The first of them is Hermes who was before the Flood.  The significance of “Hermes” is a title, like saying “Caesar” and “Khusraw” . The Persians named him Wīwanghān, meaning “the Just,” in their biographies of the kings. He is the one to whose philosophy the Harrānians adhere. The Persians state that his grandfather was Gayumart, the first man who we know as Adam. The Hebrews state that he is Enoch, which, in Arabic, is Idris.”

Enoch himself, of course, is much older than even the Syriac chronicles - the earliest extant  references to him come from a few of the oldest canonical biblical texts, most notably The Book of the Generations of Adam, incorporated in the fifth chapter of Genesis (Genesis 5:18–24). More important for both the Syriac Christian and Muslim identification of Hermes (the First) with Hermes is the apocrypha, though.

Literature destined not to become canonical in the Bible had already developed in Aramaic, greatly elaborating the legend of Enoch and how he was “taken by God.” These Books of Enoch, subsequently translated into many languages, describe Enoch as a prophet who was raised to the heavenly heights and given visions of the shape of the cosmos, of the distant past, and of the future redemption and judgment before God.

This is reflected in the Qu'ran as well, particularly in Qu'ran 19:56-57:

And mention Idris in the Book. He was true, a prophet. We raised him to a high place.

Hermes and Idris are swiftly connected by İslamicate writers, even outside of the work of Syriac translators working within elite circles. Ibn al-Haytam al-Isma'ili wrote that the prophet Idris revealed astrology and arithmetic, and that his name in Greek was Hermes (btw he mentions it as the first point in an argument for the legitimacy of ancient Greek philosophy alongside revelation. He says that the Greek philosophers were “the followers of prophets” such as Hermes.) Once Hermes-Idris’ heavenly ascent, as recorded through the Biblical apocrypha, was also accepted, this was evidently soon understood as the means by which he had  discovered astrology.

The Greek Corpus Hermeticum does refer in different ways to a kind of heavenly ascent of Hermes, but there is no definite evidence at present for  the transmission of these particular Greek passages into Arabic. Rather, the idea of Hermes’ heavenly ascent came about more probably though the identification of Hermes with Idrīs-Enoch. This explains, among other things, the regular association of Hermes with heavenly angels, from whom he learned the sciences and high magics, as seen in  the traditions reported by al-Maqdisī, İbn al Haytam the Ismā'ili, and others.

So the first Hermes in the Islamic tradition - while still being a prophet of science, as the good doctor puts it - is certainly something a magus would look at and go "yeah that's Divine." The whole Pyramids deal would probably be seen as more like the error of Abu Ma'shar since it doesn't even appear in most other narratives.

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Ancient Magic is interesting when paired with this, because it takes the Book of Enoch (central to the concept of the First Hermes simply being the way people understood Enoch) as canonically true in Mythic Europe, since we know that from the section in the book on Grigori Magic. The Grigori imparting magical knowledge also has strong connections with the descriptions above of Hermes getting knowledge from angels.

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This is a great catch! Yeah, that definitely does help solidify some of the threads being drawn. That chapter is even more interesting, upon re-reading. The holy Watcher described rests on the summit of Mount Ararat in Eastern Anatolia, exactly where Suhrawardi's disciples are working - descriptions indicate that the legends of the Watchers, counter to the Sethite interpretation of Western canon, are regionally well known. It's not at all unfeasible that the monks of the mount, historically connected to the wandering dervishes of Ahlat, shared those legends with them.

Even cooler to me is that the Criamon are yet again the guys involved. St. Nerius is described as the sole Latinate transmitter of the Book of the Watchers from 1 Enoch and travelled to Ararat himself.

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"'Gabriel has two wings...the right wing is pure light, the totality of which is an abstraction of the relation between his being and God. The left wing has traces of darkness, like the dark spots on the surface of the moon that resemble peacock's feet. That is a sign that his being has one side toward not being. If you look at the relation of his being to God's being, it has the attribute of His being. When you look at the realization of his essence, it is the realization of nonexistence and a concomitant to possible existence. These two intrinsic meanings stand on the level of two wings: the relation to God on the right and the mental positing of the realization in the soul on the left. - The Chant of Gabriel's Wing, Shihab al-Din Suhrawardi

Is there anything the Ishraqis can teach the Criamon about Empedocles?

That's the question I'd like to look at briefly here - I think it's a valid one to ask. House Criamon as described in HoH: MC adheres to a cosmology that we as modern observers would consider more or less "accurately" Empedoclean, according to what we've managed to reconstruct of Empedocles' cosmology. Not only is it a lot closer to the fragments of Empedoclean texts we have than most of what was ascribed to the man in 1220 Europe historically, it's also closer than a lot of modern Presocratic Studies work done before 90s - unlike that, which relied almost entirely on post-Socratics to create an image of Empedoclean philosophy as simply a stumbling attempt towards the glorious heights of later Greek philosophy, the Criamon seem to have kept alive the more authentic concept of Empedocles as mystery cultist, magician, and theurgist as well as philosopher, which now has become the dominant understanding of him in academia. If we're starting from a foundation this impressive, what could a bunch of Muslim upstarts raised on a steady diet of Neoplatonism, logic textbooks, and Sufism possibly have to offer the Criamon in interpreting their own master?

In a word, context. The Criamon orthodox cosmology is an admirable and (as far as we know today) authentic representation of the systems implicit in the surviving texts of Empedocles, but it is strikingly bare of any other influences. Iamblichus and Porphyry, Hierocles and Syrianus, Proclus and Damascinus - all massively important to our understanding of the Presocratics and all nowhere to be seen in HoH: MC's Criamon either explicitly or implicitly.

You might ask "Hey, TYO, isn't that a good thing? Adding that would just amount to corrupting their existing corpus of well-preserved Empedoclean lore." It's more complicated than that, though. Empedocles is known from fragments at the end of the day, and as important returning to the text and reading it faithfully was in the radical reshaping of our modern understanding of his work, much can only be discerned by looking at later Empedoclean scholarship. This is true for Presocratics in general, particularly those that wrote in verse like Empedocles did - Parmenides is a great example. See, Suhrawardi wasn't exactly wrong when he wrote excitedly about the leaven of the ancients, the so called Golden Chain of philosophy-as-theurgy was understood as a real element of the enterprise of knowledge by Neoplatonists and others who preserved non-fragmentary Empedoclean information. This in particular is what Suhrawardi's students can bring to light for the Criamon.

Now let's provide an example!

In his book The Philosophy of Illumination, Suhrawardi discusses three fundamental realms - the higher level is the World of Lights (‘alam al-anwar.), the lower level is the Shadowed or Corporeal World (‘alam al-ajsam), and the middle level is the World of Images (‘alam al-suwar). The world of lights is also known as the realm of Light Refined, flowing from the Light of Lights (God) and containing those subsidiary lights which emanate from the Light of Lights such as the Platonic Forms and the planetary + stellar intelligences (keep this in mind). He maintained that those who refined themselves within their own lives, combining mastery of rational discursive knowledge and attainment of mystic spiritual purification, would pass into this realm after death into mystic union with the Light of Lights.

...those who are intellectually and morally perfect (i.e., the mystics) will abide in the intellectual world as pure intellect; thus, their being in the hereafter and all its functions are spiritual, and speaking about the role of material or celestial bodies is meaningless.

Suhrawardi was the first Muslim philosopher to discuss the intermediate world - the world of images, even before Ibn Arabi. To quote the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy,

This independent ‘world of immaterial shapes’ (ashbah murajjada) or images (suwar) operates like an ‘isthmus’ or an ‘intermediary realm’ of “dark and illuminated suspended images (suwar mu‘allaqa)”. It lies somewhere between the physical world of darkness and the world of the ‘Lords of the species’ (arbab al-anwa‘), i.e. the world of the Platonic Forms of ‘pure Lights’ (horizontal lights). This ‘world of images’ is where new entities – the ‘suspended forms’ (muthul mu‘allaqa) – exist and which post-mortem souls grasp with their imagination.

For those who attain a lesser level of perfection in their intellectual and spiritual characters, the world of images would be their abode after death. This class includes both pious individuals and sinners. Therefore, it is necessary for them all to have bodies so that they realize the nature of their future life. These bodies, however, are not their physical bodies that they have left after death. This is because Suhrawardi, following Avicenna, believed that it is impossible for a material body to resume its existence after it ceases to be. Since those individuals who attained only an intermediate level of their intellectual and practical potentials are not completely free from their attachments with matter, and their physical bodies cannot be returned, their lives in the hereafter must be in virtue of other bodies. As an answer to this question - Suhrawardi developed the concept of an astral body which is created for the person to receive judgement and move further towards purification in the World of Images - also fulfilling the concept of resurrection. Although punishment occurs in the World of Images for those who merit it, eventually all pass the stage of purification through punishment and enter a stage of purification through enlightenment until they achieve universal states of happiness - the immortal afterlife in the World of Images, although below the grand union available to the mystic-philosopher, is seen unequivocally in blissful positive terms. The quoted passage from The Philosophy of Illumination below is a good example:

Those who have attained an intermediate bliss … may escape to the world of suspending images whose locus is some of the celestial barriers. There they can and do bring images [from their minds] into being. They can call forth such tastes, forms, pleasant sound, and the like as they desire. Those forms are more perfect than those that we have; for the loci of ours and their bearers are deficient while those of the former are perfected. There they abide forever...

Suhrawardi’s core argument in Hikmat al-Ishraq supporting the existence of a “World of Suspended Images” is a combination of logical deduction, Qur’anic exegesis, and his own mystical experiences, but he also invoked the experiences of ancient philosophers and prophets, viewing them as authentic testimonies for the presence of the World of Images. He thus urged the reader not to hasten to denounce this world, writing in its defense in his book The Intimations:

“When you learn from the writing of ancient sages that there exists a world with dimensions and extension, other than the world of intellect, and other than the world governed by the souls of the spheres … do not hasten to proclaim it a lie, for there are pilgrims of the spirit who come to see with their own eyes and in it find their hearts’ desires.”

Importantly for us, Suhrawardi explained that Empedocles was among the ancients that developed this three realm concept which he now revived and refined. This seems surprising at first - the initial thought of the Criamon who hear this might be that Suhrawardi had learned from Pseudo-Empedoclean texts. Until very recently, modern scholars of Presocratic studies would have almost certainly agreed or - more uncharitably - argued that Suhrawardi was intentionally lying to grant his own theories an ancient air. However, several leading scholars of Empedocles today would likely agree with Suhrawardi today! In his watershed study From Hades to the Stars: Empedocles on the Cosmic Habitats of Soul, Dr. Simon Trépanier argues

The positive case for a three-level cosmic-eschatological scheme in Empedocles: life in earthly Hades, a happier “daimonic” life in the atmosphere, and, for a select elite, final passage to astral divinity.

Shockingly close to Suhrawardi's system - including a representation of the mortal world as deeply associated with the concept of darkness, a superior life of spirit intermediate between the mortal and supernal realms, and a highest life associated with light, the stars (remember the planetary and stellar ıntelligences?), and a divine transformation accessible only to a rare elite of philosopher-theurgists. Just so you know I'm not punking you, here's the whole abstract of the paper:

This study reconstructs Empedocles’ eschatology and cosmology, arguing that they presuppose one another. Part one surveys body and soul in Empedocles and argues that the transmigrating daimon is a long-lived compound made of the elements air and fire. Part two shows that Empedocles situates our current life in Hades, then considers the testimonies concerning different cosmic levels in Empedocles and compares them with the afterlife schemes in Pindar’s Second Olympian Ode and Plato’s Phaedo myth. Part three offers a new edition of section d, lines 5–10 of the Strasbourg papyrus of Empedocles that reinforces the connection between transmigration and different cosmic locations for souls. Part four reconstructs Empedocles’ cosmology, identifies three different levels or habitats of soul, and, more tentatively, suggests that Empedoclean “long-lived gods” are best understood as stars.

This isn't limited to one (albeit esteemed) Empedoclean studies scholar either, other figures including Dr. Xavier Gheerbrant and pillar of the field Dr. André Laks have made use of and expanded on the work presented in Trépanier's 2014 paper.

There we have it: a major insight into the cosmo-eschatology of Empedocles - one foreign to Criamonic Empedoclean orthodoxy as presented in HoH: MC (reasonable, as it is exceedingly hard to tease out this understanding from the texts as Dr Trépanier did without a broader context to work off) - that was correctly understood and accurately attributed to Empedocles by Suhrawardi. Even this alone presents all sorts of new directions for House Criamon thought - the Ishraqis do indeed have things to teach the Criamon about Empedocles.

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This thread continues to impress! Not only talking Islamic philosophy but also contemporary Empedocles studies. A few comments:

Had to look up all of these guys - I imagine they will feature more prominently in a saga where the Path of Walking Backwards absorbs Illuminationist thought like you've outlined? That's an intriguing prospect, a more source diverse Criamon orthodoxy.

Hmm, it reminds me of Daimonic spirits in lore. How does the idea of planetary intelliegences work in an Islamic framework?

Honestly mind blowing, I didn't even know Empedocles studies was a live field. Suhrawardi was really a sharp fellow.

Doesn't this change a lot for the Criamon - I mean, that there is the answer to the Enigma no? Even if not, it's still huge for them.

Any other interesting examples? What about the reverse, what can the Criamon teach the Ishraqis?

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Wow I thought I had responded to this, came to write a new post and saw I had left these unanswered! How rude, my apologies. :sweat_smile:

Yeah, that's partially the point. A lot of Suhrawardi's insights into Empedocles discussed above come from the fact that he's using a lot more than just the actual fragments of Empedocles. Doxographical writings are more useful guides than were once thought, if used with caution.

Walbridge's The Devotional and Occult Works of Suhrawardī the Illuminationist discusses exactly this question:

Most of Suhrawardi's texts relating to the celestial spirits are strictly devotional, addressing praise to them as exalted beings with nearer access to God. These texts are, to use his term, sanctifications. What al-Suhrawardi is really interested in is talking to the spirits of the planets, an exercise that makes perfet sense given the structure of his philosophical system, in which mystical apprehension of the celestial lights is a tool for understanding the metaphysical structure of the universe. It is, to be sure, a rather strange thing for a Muslim to be doing, since it borders on polytheism, but Suhrawardi, like the Late Antique pagan Neoplatonists, would surely protest that he was simply giving due reverence to the greatest of God's servants, doing something little different than the formal greeting given to Muslim saints at their shrines. In tact, he is doing theurgy, something with very deep and continuing roots in the Platonic tradition. His prayers are very similar to those of Proclus addressed to the celestial bodies.

So he is talking to higher beings from the realm of images when talking to the spirits of the planets, although not the angelic lights of the highest tier. Interestingly it does further indicate that the Magic Realm is the same as the World of Images in Mythic Europe if Suhrawardi's planetary ıntelligences are indeed the Astra Planeta. The first indication to me at least was that the World of Images contains

Formlike spaces or existences distinct from the actual Forms of Plato

which sounds strikingly like the Form Provinces in the Twilight Void.

Well the Criamon are already not strictly "orthodox" Empedocleans, even for what they currently think is the "correct" take on Empedocles. As mentioned in HoH: MC...

Criamon believed Empedocles’s cosmology, but thought his goal of becoming an immortal again was naive. Empedocles’s contrition and suffering cannot change the cyclical nature of time.

...so it's not an immediate radical change for the House if/when Illuminationists revise the understanding of Empedoclean cosmology. It'll almost certainly be of interest, though.

That's the upcoming section!

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This is a good connection to draw, I think another might be that the Hypostasis in the Magic Realm is an escape from cycle just like the World of Suspended Images is for the average soul in Suhrawardi as you've mentioned.

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Criamonic Illuminationism as intellectual symbiosis, Empedocles the Pythagorean, and some weird/cool diagrams

Been a while since I posted a new installment and, true to form, it's more just a series of ideas I had while doing some reading for the next post. I was looking through some of the articles collected in the most recent Apeiron publication (lots of good papers!) for ideas when I realized that one paper from the same journal that I had read a good while back actually provides a really useful frame for understanding the possible project of our Criamon Illuminationists.

I think it's probably clear already that what I hope to construct with an Illuminationist Path of Walking Backwards is a House Criamon that engages with the remarkable Islamicate revival of late antiquity's Pythagorizing Neoplatonist project pioneered by Suhrawardi - a House Criamon that is in conversation with Illuminationist ideas which position figures like Thales, Parmenides, Pythagoras, Empedocles, Socrates, and Plato (Pythagoras, Empedocles, and Plato being the most important) as part of a broadly continuous set of wisdom traditions (the sophia perennis, as it were) that had from the outset been in contact with/share roots with ones which grew from Egypt and Persia. Our favorite democracy-loving veggie-eating Hermetic mystics have never shied away from adopting any knowledge that seems to help further understanding of the Enigma but I think Illuminationism via the Path of Walking Backwards is quite different - it changes how the House may approach their very founding ideas and opens up the "House orthodoxy" itself to source-diversity.

Engagement with House Criamon is also going to change Illuminationism - while the Illuminationists are, according to current studies of Empedocles, broadly right in the way they approach him and his work (closely tied to "the East" and Pythagoras, three-level cosmic-eschatological scheme, philosophy as lived practice/intellectual rite of rebirth) they are totally outstripped by House Criamon in ability to engage with the texts to find these resonances. It isn't actively brought up, but from their reconstruction of Empedoclean thought - including features not described by doxographical texts that modern scholars had to glean from careful readings of Empedocles' poetry - they are likely Mythic Europe's greatest living scholars of early Greek thought with highly developed methods of source criticism and philology. Ofc, the OOC explanation is that Ars writers were using what we know about Empedocles, but the idea that the Criamon came to the same conclusions isn't at all an impossibility - Theban Criamon have access to those manuscripts...they'd just have to be terrifyingly smart (and without the condescending Bonisagi air no less.) The Illuminationists, relying on the few patchwork translations of important doxographical texts and missing most of the vital texts required for deep analysis of Pythagoras or Empedocles alike, would benefit immensely - just as the Criamon would benefit from the Illuminationist paradigm shift shaking off their brand of focus on Empedocles to read his connections to wider intellectual streams. Indeed, the Illuminationist synthesizing scope of vision and Criamon pre-Socratic research toolbox could unironically land the 1270s-1300s House Criamon near 2021 levels of sophistication as far as pre-Socratic studies.

For examples of the sort of scholarship this new breed of Criamon philosophers could produce, From Hades to the Stars: Empedocles on the Cosmic Habitats of Soul from Dr. Simon Trépanier (discussed in earlier posts) proves the Illuminationists' inherited Neoplatonic assertion about the nature of the Empedoclean afterlife correct by close reading of Empedocles' writing itself. Kingsley and Uzdavinys both use the same techniques of textual analysis to connect the Pythagorian project to "Eastern" thought in wide currency in the scholarly world the early Pythagorians knew. One I haven't discussed before is 2018's Empedocles’ Emulation of Anaxagoras and Pythagoras by Dr. Dmitri Panchenko which interested me by simply using the main doxographical texts to prove the point.

Diogenes Laertius cites Alcidamas for the statement that Empedocles emulated Anaxagoras and Pythagoras in his dignity of bearing and the philosophy of nature. Contrary to the standard view, I shall argue that Alcidamas made Empedocles imitate Anaxagoras in is manners and Pythagoras in his teaching...Nonetheless, the majority of the experts in Greek philosophy take for granted the alternative understanding of Diogenes’ statement. They are apparently impressed by the facts that, on the one hand, Plato, a contemporary of Alcidamas, speaks of the Pythagorean way of life, while, on the other hand, the same Plato (Apol. 26 d; 59 A 35 DK) and other authors present Anaxagoras as a person famous for his doctrines concerning the sun and moon. But such general considerations will not work since also Pythagoras is credited in ancient tradition with a number of physical doctrines, and we shall see that our sources are in fact in a perfect agreement with the interpretation we defend.

One that really struck me was 2016's Empedocles’ Cosmic Cycle and the Pythagorean Tetractys by Dr. Oliver Primavesi. I'll let the abstract speak for itself:

Empedocles posits six fundamental principles of the world: Love, Strife and the four elements (rhizōmata). On the cosmic level, he describes the interaction of the principles as an eternal recurrence of the same, i.e. as a cosmic cycle. The cycle is subject to a time-table the evidence for which was discovered by Marwan Rashed and has been edited by him in 2001 and 2014. The purpose of the present paper is to show that this timetable is based on the numerical ratios of the Pythagorean tetractys.

The paper is wonderfully complex and I wouldn't do it justice here, but core is above - the very cosmic cycle that defines Empedoclean cosmology is built on Pythagorean number philosophy.


Not only is the thesis pretty conclusively proven in the paper, the author suggests that some elements of Empedoclean theory are only made understandable by placing them in the framework of Pythagoras:

It seems even possible to take one further step and to show that the assumption of the Pythagorizing timetable is not only compatible with the structure of the cosmic cycle, but that it is even a necessary condition for making sense of the one extant reference to the cosmic timetable by Empedocles himself. After the formation of the Sphairos and for the duration of its reign, both Love, which fills the Sphairos, and Strife, which surrounds it as an external covering, enjoy a period of rest. The rest period of Love and Strife—the dominion of the Sphairos—comes to an end when Strife, the strength of whose limbs has been restored during the period of rest, invades the Sphairos from without and destroys it. The period of rest, i.e. the life-span of the Sphairos, is characterized as having been fixed “in exchange” by an oath sworn by Love and by Strife. The obvious question is: “in exchange for what?” One should expect that two gifts exchanged by Love and Strife are each of equal value. Yet it seems quite implausible to assume that Strife has granted the Sphairos to Love in return for the rest of the cosmic cycle (so that the duration of the Sphairos would have to match the duration of all other periods of the cycle), as suggested by O’Brien. For this would imply, as O’Brien himself admits, that not only Strife’s invasion but also Love’s expansion belongs, “in a sense”, to Strife. A far more convincing solution becomes available as soon as we assume that the cosmic cycle is structured along the lines of a double tetractys. Both Love and Strife have sworn to each other to observe faithfully the timetable of their respective tetractys (which shows, by the way, that even the Pythagorean link between “oath” and tetractys seems to be inspired by Empedocles, although the function of the Pythagorean oath is totally different from that of the divine oath in Empedocles). Now on our Pythagorizing reconstruction of the timetable, the life time of the Sphairos belongs to both the tetractys of Love and the tetractys of Strife, so that the Empedoclean oath implies, in particular, that Love and Strife have granted each other to cease fire during a common period of rest, i.e. during the life span of the Sphairos.

Incredible work! Just imagining what our loveable mystic-wizards would start to dream up if they were presented with these conclusions is a trip - and the best part is that with an Illuminationist turn in the Path of Walking Backwards, a brave new world of Criamonic philosophy is entirely within reach.

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I admit I'm curious about this part particularly. The idea of a House Criamon that is actively engaging on a two-way basis with non-Hermetic thinkers is fascinating, and your descriptions of their particular strands of thought have been even more so, but I'm wondering what this translates to, in terms of game effects. Is there a new Path here, or a refinement or modification of the Path of Walking Backwards? What powers might it offer? Access to a non-faerie version of Bargain duration, inspired by the oath between Love and Strife you mentioned?

Or does this engage with the core philosophy of the House at a more fundamental level? Will this increased understanding translate to Breakthroughs that expand the capabilities of Enigmatic Wisdom, allowing it to reduce time spent in Twilight, or aid somehow in navigating and traversing the Realm of Magic? Or perhaps something that reduces the (currently very high) difficulty of creating new Paths? Or did you have something else in mind?

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I don't have an exact plan here but I do imagine that this is going to be more the latter at first - as occult-mystical scholarly currents shift in the Islamicate, they alter the Path as well. I'm not sure what exactly the mechanical changes to the Path would entail - I imagine part of it would include synthesizing some of the Arithmetic Magic virtues like Hermetic Numerology and Hermetic Geometry into the Path with the Pythagorean element.

The transformation of the Path, just by its nature and engagement with Empedocles and his own tradition, is one that I see changing the house more deeply than just the Path itself for sure.

That's along the lines I was thinking - Enigmatic Wisdom becomes applicable to more as the House takes more holistically academic positions towards the question of the Empedoclean Enigma. I was thinking of having Enigmatic Wisdom add to Lab Totals and formulaic magic similar to Aristotelian/Platonic Magic Theory, to represent that scholarly turn, which I think combines well with allowing Enigmatic Wisdom to aid travel and exploration of the Magic Realm as the Illuminationist World of Image.

I think this is a pretty interesting way to mechanically represent the increase in source diversity for Criamonic "orthodoxy."

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This thread continues to be a bizarre and fun read. I love the charts because I can't help but picture a frenzied Criamon in Muslim attire trying to explain the Pythagorean ratios of Love's Expansion to his utterly lost sodales while pointing to the chart wildly. Jokes aside, I really like this version of House Criamon and it feels like a rather natural evolution for them.

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Oooooh, now I am having ideas. Inspired by how the first station of the existing Path of Walking Backwards (Gentle Gift) directly mirrors the first station of the Path of Strife (Blatant Gift). Perhaps the PoWB would fork after the first station, with the modern (Illuminated?) Path of Walking Backwards taking a more academic approach to its mysticism: Hermetic Numerology* and Geometry like you said (possibly combo'd with Puissant Artes Liberales to form the second station, replacing the Station of Rice & Honey?) but also- and I admit this feels really munchkiny but also appropriate for the incredibly detailed textual analysis of the Illuminationists- replacing the Station of Expression (Free Expression+Inspirational+use Enigmatic Wisdom as one artistic skill) with a similar package including Good Teacher, Book Learner, and using Enigmatic Wisdom as Prof(Scribe) or Craft(Bookbinder or Illuminator).

*I would particularly love to see an initiation script for whichever station grants H-Numerology that initiates people in pairs, each of whom has to write a Commentary on a major Empedoclean or related work, after which they exchange commentaries and use the one they receive as their Numerologist's Book.

Hermetic Divination (Numerology) would be a potent fourth station for this path. Not sure how appropriate to its source material, though.

Meanwhile, the other fork after the first (Gentle Gift) station is a "Path of Love", which directly mirrors a modified Path of Strife. I'm not entirely sure what those paths would look like, but:

  • I think the Path of Love should include the first appearance of "Enigmatic Wisdom applies to Twilight Void Travel in the Magic Realm" at one of its earlier stations, and one of its later stations should have no initiation script but instead require those walking the path to journey the Magic Realm and acquire the Virtue or package-treated-as-a-virtue there (RoP:M p26).
  • The existing PoWB's Station of Rice and Honey (healing dance) and Station of Exaltation (grant objects a single positive property) are rather neat parallels to the Path of Strife's Stations of Blood & Bronze and Golden Cider (destroy objects, or supernatural properties of objects or beings), and should probably be retained.
  • Obviously the Blatant Gift is maintained as the first station on the Path of Strife.
  • While those on the Illuminated Path of Strife still cannot enter the Final Twilight normally, it would be neat if it were possible for them to be guided into Final Twilight by a magus on the final station of the Path of Love (using their whole navigating the Realm of Magic/World of Image deal to guide their fellows). This has absolutely no game balance effects as it still results in the character leaving play, but it feels like it would have a tremendous impact on social interactions with those on the Path of Strife.

TL;DR: PoWB under Illuminationist influence forks into "new PoWB" (more academic) and "Path of Love" (more mystic, mirrors Path of Strife). Yes/no/maybe?

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