joined casting?

[Maus]

All I can find is about one maga casting a spell. Are there options for several magi casting a spell together? I thought it was possible for rituals with older editions, but I didn't manage to find any text about if this is still possible or how it works.

Thanks, Andreas/Maus

[Gremlin44]

It is indeed possible for a group of magi to cast a spell cooperatively. The rules are given, somewhat counter-intuitively, under 'Wizard's Communion" in the Muto/Vim section of the "Spells" chapter.

[callen]

Also note that a longer duration version of Wizard's Communion is needed if the spell is going to be a ritual or cast ceremonially.

[Maus]

@callen

Also note that a longer duration version of Wizard's Communion is needed if the spell is going to be a ritual or cast ceremonially.

Aegis of the heart used to be a prime example of several magi working together to create the most powerful aegis they could manage. What is the new status? The most powerful specialist handled the aegis, with everyone else attending the ritual without actually contributing? Or is a specialised version of the Wizard's Communion now part of the spells most magi learn and every covenenat keeps in its library to allow other magi to chime in and boost the ritual?

[callen]

They just use a longer-duration version, usually D: Sun. The D: Momentary (up to 1 round) one is useful for non-ceremonial formulaic magic (unless the one casting the spell has the Slow Caster Flaw). The effect of the D: Sun version is the same as a D: Momentary version 2 magnitudes lower.

[JoelHalpern]

@callen

They just use a longer-duration version, usually D: Sun. The D: Momentary (up to 1 round) one is useful for non-ceremonial formulaic magic (unless the one casting the spell has the Slow Caster Flaw). The effect of the D: Sun version is the same as a D: Momentary version 2 magnitudes lower.

So does this mean that Mercurians have to explicitly learn the duration sun version of Wizard's communion to use it with the Aegis, even though they get the base version for free?

[callen]

I rule it that they get whatever duration they want each time.

[Hammer_n_Godsmite]

I personally rule that Momentary works for Rituals too... But to each their own.

[callen]

@Hammer 'n' Godsmite

I personally rule that Momentary works for Rituals too... But to each their own.

Yes, that house rule works, too. I just listed the canon interpretation, that being that MuVi spell durations must be long enough to last through the casting of the spell they're affecting.

[rgd20 (Bob)]

In Mythic Locations, p96, a lost (Duration= Concentration/Special) Mercurian ritual interact weirdly with Wizards Communion

If Wizard's Communion is used to cast this ritual, then it only expires when all of the casting Magi cease to concentrate. Individual magi may cease concentrating and rejoin later. In this way, by taking shifts, the ritual may be prolonged for hours, days, potentially even years. Only Magi who participated in tbe Wizard's Communion may join or rejoin the ritual. This effect os a special feature of how this ritual was designed to interact with Wizard's Communion, these rules do not apply to other spells

It makes no comment on what duration the wizard's communion must be, and explicity calls out that you can't carry these rules over to other spells, but what would the result off integrating this effect?

Bob

[callen]

@rgd20

In Mythic Locations, p96, a lost (Duration= Concentration/Special) Mercurian ritual interact weirdly with Wizards Communion

If Wizard's Communion is used to cast this ritual, then it only expires when all of the casting Magi cease to concentrate. Individual magi may cease concentrating and rejoin later. In this way, by taking shifts, the ritual may be prolonged for hours, days, potentially even years. Only Magi who participated in tbe Wizard's Communion may join or rejoin the ritual. This effect os a special feature of how this ritual was designed to interact with Wizard's Communion, these rules do not apply to other spells

It makes no comment on what duration the wizard's communion must be, and explicity calls out that you can't carry these rules over to other spells, but what would the result off integrating this effect?

The duration of Wizard's Communion is here:

@ArM5 errata

Muto Vim spells work by altering the magical energies that create the spell as it is being cast. The spell is the result of the combination of the base casting and the Muto Vim effect, and has its effect once both the casting and the Muto Vim effect have finished. This means that a Muto Vim spell must have a duration at least as long as the casting of the target spell, but need not last for as long as the spell itself. For normally-cast formulaic spells, a Momentary Duration is sufficient, but if the casting time is longer for any reason, the Muto Vim spell must also have a longer Duration; Sun is sufficient for any practical Ritual.

Though I don't have Mythic Locations, it looks like that ritual had D: Concentration. It's special design is that all of the magi are considered the caster of the spell, so any of them can provide the concentration to maintain it. If this were done more, there would be more rituals of D: Concentration. However, each time this is done the total number of magi who can do it drops by one. But since we can't just leave a single magus concentrating forever, really it's more like three magi are required to keep this going forever instead of one. Let's say in each tribunal there will be one such ritual maintained forever. That would require 3% of the Order's Gifted population to be forever tied to maintaining the rituals and really never doing anything else. Then, if it's a season of service a year - a far more likely regular sacrifice than four seasons every year - we need to quadruple that. 12% of the magi in the Order are required, though now they have some of their own pursuits. But now it's looking like something that will only be managed in the Transylvanian Tribunal or in a particular instance. So I doubt integrating this concentration effect will have a broad-reaching impact due to practical reasons.