Leap of the Homecoming destination

Sigh Discussion.

It does appear to be the most consistent answer, neh?

That sounds like, with some appropriate Finesse rolls and the fast-casting speciality, it would be an amazing combat technique. An arrow might be a poor thing to use for it, though (due to the long firing time); a thrown rock might be better.

Hermetic tetherball!

Or a thrown... something weird (material). throw an emerald, for example. Then you place a "attract emerald on command word" spell in your ring and there you go with an emerald yo-yo. Nice one. Short range (fast cast) combat teleport has been used quite consistently by a pair of characters in our last sagas. Quite dangerous foes until fatigue overcomes them.

Xavi

For added fun, have a ReTe(He) spell on the emerald to make it stick to surfaces it wouldn't normally stick to, like tree trunks or castle walls or suchlike. All of a sudden, you're a Hermetic Spiderman.

Mythic Blood.

Well, when you are running around shaking a weapon at the opposition it doesn't matter much if you are the son of King arthur. You are gonna lose fatigue from hitting stuff repeatedly. :slight_smile: if you can teleport, you really need to be spiderman? We are talking nightcrawler here

Xavi

I was seeing it differently; as a missile combatant who's constantly keeping out of melee range by teleporting around. A sword-wielder would be deadly with the teleportation, but Ars's melee combat system is lethal enough that I would not want to get involved in a melee without armour serious enough to require An and Te requisites for that Leap.

If you're adding the emerald ring, I think we've gotten into a superhero melting pot already.

Xavi looks at green lantern and smacks his head (How didn't I see that before? :laughing: )

You can have a fairly high defence without the need for requisites. make all your straps (tendons) AND armour (muto level hardened leather) be HUMAN in origin, and use a hardened femur as a cudgel and there you go :slight_smile: For the "grogs act as meat shields2 approach, having a defender 8and keeping HIM alive with some minimal rego spells) is enouh to keep yourself out of harm's way.

Cheers,
Xavi

So in other words, my teleport mage needs to have armour made of HUMAN BEINGS, in order to avoid a +1 magnitude on the spell? I think you're taking the phrase "meat shield" awfully literally there, Xavi.

It's a hard choice. Do I want to look like a hideous monstrous evil sorceror who makes all his trappings out of the skin and bones of his innocent victims, or do I want my spells to be slightly harder?

It doesn't add a magnitude. It just adds casting requisites.

Chris

Literal, yup. It is how teleport works. by RAW you teleport naked (plus talisman) if you cast a plain ReCo spell to teleport. If you want to teleport equipped WITHOUT adding requisites ( as callen says, no extra magnitudes, mind you) you need to have your equipment made of human stuff. (Processed) hair tunics and (human) leather pouches are always extremely popular IMS.

This is WAY easier than it seems, and does not need to LOOK like you ripped the heart of your neighbour with a spooky knife in an even spookier chtonic ritual (I love the image of the daughter of Erichto in ROP:I, BTW) for it to work. You can have processed human tissue equipment created already cured/treated/processed, without having to use a real human body to make them in the first place. For large surface material, use ogre or giant tissue. MuCo(Te) hardens it a lot. Low Load, high protection with the application of sensible Muto magics

And an ogre or giant femur makes for a really nice cudgel :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Xavi

Sure but you might still have to think about doing it to make your finesse roll. And you still have to deal with observant and/or weirdly knowledgeable NPC's recognizing your equipment for what it is. Although I assume Muto, Rego, and Verdi Runes are used to mitigate things like that when possible.
"Is that a kid skin jerkin?"
"Nope even better it's baby." :smiley:
Inversely you might garner the interest or respect of some non humans for your material choices.
"Say those are nice breeches you got there" Say's the Archfiend. "I've got a purse made from a preist's #@%*, he wasn't using it." :wink:
Definitely not a story hook I'd pass up either way.

As I am sitting in a biology lab as I type this and can say with confidence a regular human femur is a serviceable size & shape for this purpose.

Boy, did this thread drift.

But, anyway...I keep seeing "rules as written, you teleport naked if you don't have requisites." But I'm not seeing that in either the guidelines or in the spell descriptions for Seven-League Stride and The Leap of Homecoming.

So, am I missing something here, or are people saying that because the spell is Rego Corpus, that of COURSE it only affects the human body! (which would be raci -rules as commonly interpreted).

HOH:S, p36, has a teleport spell called Wizard's Leap, which specifies "His Talisman comes with him automatically but casting requisites are required to bring along any other clothing or equipment." By analogy, all other teleportation spells work similarly.

since it is only corpus, only corpus affected. IIRC it says something about that when it talks to requisites. In the flambeau section of HOH I recall something regarding this as well but will need to check, so serf's parma.

And yes, it drifted :stuck_out_tongue:

Xavi

Okay, so next question: does the requisite for Herbam, Animal, Terram, Auram, what have you, necessarily add a magnitude? Or is it (arguably) one that "simply allows the spell to have its effect" as opposed to one that "adds an effect to a spell" which does add a magnitude?

No, with Leap of Homecoming these will just be casting requisites. Casting requisites never add magnitudes because they don't add anything to the spell itself, just allow it to function more completely as desired. You cannot use a Terram requisite with a ReCo spell to move a rock on its own, but you can move yourself along with the rock in your hand because moving yourself is what the spell is designed to do.

Chris

But with that argument, you could hold fast of a tree and expect it to unearth and teleport with you. Or a castle, for that matter. The spell is designed to teleport you, not a rock, so it adds functionality and should have an increase in complexity to account for that.

My take on it, and this is just my personal opinion that has little, if any, overt support from rules-as-written, is that if it would be covered by your Parma or covered by a Personal-range spell, then it would be covered by a Seven-League Stride or Leap of the Homecoming. Thus, if you grab onto a tree, the tree would not go with you because you are neither holding nor carrying it. Unless it's a very small tree.

Nope, because then it wouldn't fall under the definition of "Personnal" range.

To avoid this problem IMS we allow the teleport of armor and other possessions you are wearing plus anything you can hold that is Load 2 or less.

Xavi

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