Let's make apprentice created enchantments

Fafnir · October 1, 2018, 1:17pm

We don't play it that way, though I am not 100% sure whether it is a house rule or not For us 1 liter becomes 1 liter.
It just feels wrong (and is prone to abuse) that you can change volume so much just by changing the type of medium.

Erik_Tyrrell · October 1, 2018, 7:14pm

Trinket of Instrumental Security
PeMe 5 (1 use per day)
R: Touch, D: Mom, T: ind.
This small opal set in a silver necklace is a lesser enchanted device that, when used, removes a single fact from the mind of the target. It was created by the student of a maga who wanted her apprentice to utilize her other enchanted devices in their work, but did not trust the apprentice to refrain from their use at other times. By use of the Trinket of Instrumental Security she was able to remove knowledge of the activation trigger for a single enchanted device from her apprentice's mind every day after the apprentice had finished their work. The laboratory text for this device includes +3 a material bonus for opal. With the material bonus, most apprentices are capable of creating more than one such device in a single season. Typically bound with the laboratory text for the Trinket of Instrumental Security is a matching text for the creation of the Gem of Mystery a nearly identical device - an enchanted opal that, once per day, when handeled removes any knowledge of what effect it is enchanted with.
(Base 4, +1 Touch)

Tellus · October 1, 2018, 9:52pm

Erik Tyrrell:

Trinket of Instrumental Security
PeMe 5 (1 use per day)
R: Touch, D: Mom, T: ind.
This small opal set in a silver necklace is a lesser enchanted device that, when used, removes a single fact from the mind of the target. It was created by the student of a maga who wanted her apprentice to utilize her other enchanted devices in their work, but did not trust the apprentice to refrain from their use at other times. By use of the Trinket of Instrumental Security she was able to remove knowledge of the activation trigger for a single enchanted device from her apprentices mind every day after the apprentice had finished their work. The laboratory text for this device includes +3 a material bonus for opal. With the material bonus, most apprentices are capable of creating more than one such device in a single season. Typically bound with the laboratory text for the Trinket of Instrumental Security is a matching text for the creation of the Gem of Mystery a nearly identical device - an enchanted opal that, once per day, when handeled removes any knowledge of what effect it is enchanted with.
(Base 4, +1 Touch)

Oooh, I like it!

Fafnir · October 2, 2018, 10:26pm

Out of sheer contrariness, to prove wrong the statement "Muto Vim effects can not be enchanted in a lesser enchanted device"

Soulcatcher
MuVi 15
R:Touch, D:Conc (maintained by item), T:Ind
+6 Penetration, 3 uses/day
This dagger, with a handle elaborately carved from cypress wood, can catch and hold up to 3 minor magic spirits of Might 5 or less (as per The Wicked Jar, RoP:I, applying to magic spirits instead of demons) if it comes in contact with them. In order to keep them imprisoned, the user must feed the blade a drop of his own blood at dawn and dusk; otherwise, they are released. Some spirit masters of the Order give soulcatchers to their grogs, and have them roam the countryside hunting for lesser ghosts, will-o-wisps, and other minor entities - that are eventually brought back to the spirit master to be enslaved. Many a hunter became a quarry and never returned; but when a soulcatcher is forged, three arcane connections are made to it that allow tracking it down and/or magically retrieving it.

Base 3 [Transform a spirit of Might 3+2 magnitudes so it becomes part of the item], +1 Touch, +1 Conc, +5 levels maintains concentration, +2 levels 3 uses/day, +3 levels Penetration +6.
Cypress lends a +3 S&M bonus for spirits

Erik_Tyrrell · October 2, 2018, 11:28pm

achievment unlocked

ironboundtome · October 3, 2018, 12:41am

For PeVi against fae

The poker is cheap and easy to craft due to the +7 lab bonus. This could also be a single use potion shaped as iron knives instead of a fire poker, to be thrown, as:

ironboundtome · October 7, 2018, 2:22am

Fafnir:

Out of sheer contrariness, to prove wrong the statement "Muto Vim effects can not be enchanted in a lesser enchanted device"

Soulcatcher
MuVi 15
R:Touch, D:Conc (maintained by item), T:Ind
+6 Penetration, 3 uses/day
This dagger, with a handle elaborately carved from cypress wood, can catch and hold up to 3 minor magic spirits of Might 5 or less (as per The Wicked Jar, RoP:I, applying to magic spirits instead of demons) if it comes in contact with them. In order to keep them imprisoned, the user must feed the blade a drop of his own blood at dawn and dusk; otherwise, they are released. Some spirit masters of the Order give soulcatchers to their grogs, and have them roam the countryside hunting for lesser ghosts, will-o-wisps, and other minor entities - that are eventually brought back to the spirit master to be enslaved. Many a hunter became a quarry and never returned; but when a soulcatcher is forged, three arcane connections are made to it that allow tracking it down and/or magically retrieving it.

Base 3 [Transform a spirit of Might 3+2 magnitudes so it becomes part of the item], +1 Touch, +1 Conc, +5 levels maintains concentration, +2 levels 3 uses/day, +3 levels Penetration +6.
Cypress lends a +3 S&M bonus for spirits

Are you sure this effect is valid? I think this effect might be invalid because the MuVi spell is still targeting something which is not in the dagger?

Fafnir · October 7, 2018, 7:35am

Yes. It is not a "metamagic" spell. Check out the Wicked Jar in RoP:I.

ironboundtome · October 8, 2018, 11:51pm

A candidate for the InIm item, which also happens to be inspired by a webcomic about roleplaying, ref: d20monkey's webcomic.

(could also be made as a small clear glass lense worn as jewelry or a nick nack if the hat is just too repulsive/silly "charm of the watchful parent"?).

Erik_Tyrrell · October 9, 2018, 12:48am

The weirdness of Intellego Imaginem is that the target is the thing observed, so this hat could allow the wearer to see images of any size +1 or smaller thing that they touch, so perhaps see the other side of a door or the underside of a table, a book that someone in front of you is reading, or perhaps the contents of a closed book or box (although light might be an issue). But eyes in the back of your head and similar effects should really use the special target from Sight as through a Plethron Distant from MoH. (you could change it to range voice and duration concentration for a pretty cool item)

ironboundtome · October 9, 2018, 12:52am

Updated for reflect this. Wouldn't it be viable to say that the spell is allowing the person to see the other side of the hat?

Erik_Tyrrell · October 12, 2018, 5:38pm

The rules for a ward say that he target is the thing that is protected. In this case the protected thing is an opening. Whether an opening qualifies as a thing might be matter of debate, but I think it is a reasonable interpretation.

Bitter · October 12, 2018, 7:50pm

Fafnir:

Out of sheer contrariness, to prove wrong the statement "Muto Vim effects can not be enchanted in a lesser enchanted device"

Soulcatcher
MuVi 15
R:Touch, D:Conc (maintained by item), T:Ind
+6 Penetration, 3 uses/day
This dagger, with a handle elaborately carved from cypress wood, can catch and hold up to 3 minor magic spirits of Might 5 or less (as per The Wicked Jar, RoP:I, applying to magic spirits instead of demons) if it comes in contact with them. In order to keep them imprisoned, the user must feed the blade a drop of his own blood at dawn and dusk; otherwise, they are released. Some spirit masters of the Order give soulcatchers to their grogs, and have them roam the countryside hunting for lesser ghosts, will-o-wisps, and other minor entities - that are eventually brought back to the spirit master to be enslaved. Many a hunter became a quarry and never returned; but when a soulcatcher is forged, three arcane connections are made to it that allow tracking it down and/or magically retrieving it.

Base 3 [Transform a spirit of Might 3+2 magnitudes so it becomes part of the item], +1 Touch, +1 Conc, +5 levels maintains concentration, +2 levels 3 uses/day, +3 levels Penetration +6.
Cypress lends a +3 S&M bonus for spirits

Isn't this a House Rule to work on magic spirit ?

raccoonmask · October 12, 2018, 7:53pm

Imreai · October 12, 2018, 11:57pm

jason72 · October 13, 2018, 2:36am

Might work better as base 2, +1 range (Touch), +0 Duration (Momentary), and +4 Target (Sight), +1 level for 2 uses/day?

Berengar · October 13, 2018, 5:41am

The brooch design might also benefit from the guidelines and examples of TMRE p.93 Numerologist's Spells, especially Numbering the Flock.

Cheers

Imreai · October 13, 2018, 12:23pm

You mean would actually work, since the hat itself can't see anything so Range: sight in the original is useless!

I botched a Magic Theory roll here - item amended as you suggested

I'd not really read through these before, thanks for the tip there are some cool options there- for this one though base 2 is the lowest, and increasing the level would push it a bit too high for an apprentice enchantment, but for an enhanced version you could make one that divides by Ewes, lambs, rams etc, which would just be an additional magnitude I believe.

Fafnir · October 13, 2018, 9:17pm

I would not call it a House Rule.
Generally speaking, one can assume that for each Vim spell operating on a Realm, there is another operating on each of the other three Realms, barring specific limits of magic (e.g. you can't force demons to tell the truth, you cannot force the divine to do ... all sorts of stuff etc.). In this case, RoP:I provides the effect for demons; I think it's fair to assume there's a similar effect for magic spirits and another for faerie spirits.

If you are really unhappy with the description as such, you can always recast soulcatcher as demoncatcher.

Imreai · October 14, 2018, 9:09pm