Theorycrafting - Numerology and Jewish Numerology / Germatia

I feel a little munchkin-like for even looking at this but it feels like there should be some way to get in game synergy from the closely connected ideas of Numerology, Germatia, and Kabbalah - looking for wisdom and power in the numerical analysis of a text. BTW, I know I'm being long winded as I talk through the idea.

Germatia has a couple of interesting things for a Hermetic Magus in game terms. It is divine aligned which is nice, it can provide an effect similar to a limited longevity potion when combined with Understanding, and with Understanding it can provide divination like effects. Nothing stunning but interesting. Kabbalah is similar. It is connected to the Wonders power which is sort of generic spellcasting/miracles but if you are good enough you can create a golem which is a neat effect.

They both have some big drawbacks in game mechanical terms. Even for just one method and one power you need six virtue points and a bunch of XP. You could find a way to initiate it after character creation but it is still a huge XP drain to get useful effects plus the initiation might end up limiting all of your magic.

Hermetic Numerology is similar to Kabbalah. Use your understanding of a text / the numerology in the text to boost or cast magic. Germatia is somewhat similar to Divination (numerology). Both of the Jewish traditions have the useful divine aura connection but otherwise the interesting things are the Shinnue Shem ritual and the ability to create a Golem.

From the point of view of a Hermetic Magus (not a Holy mage) it feels like these make great ideas for breakthroughts. The Bjornaer already have part of the idea of the Shinnue Shem ritual in their mysteries (I would assume that this is a parallel development not cross fertilization of the idea) but a no vis effect similar to a longevity ritual that could be done on non-magi without fertility effects would be pretty good. Golem creation would also be pretty great (creating life and granting it power!) although it feels like a bigger breakthrough to make a Hermetic version since the creation of life is so tied to the Divine.

So the question becomes are these minor or major breakthroughs? Can a Golem ever be created by Hermetic magic or is that purely the realm of the Divine? Is there any reason that a Hermetic magus who knew of these two applications of Jewish holy mysticism (from a background, from in game time with a Kabbalist, or from a book) couldn't work on these are breakthroughs?

Perhaps the biggest question; if a character knew Hermetic Numerology and Divination (numerology) could they work on a breakthrough (or initiation) to use holy texts to align their numerology and divination effects with divine and magical auras or is that something that is only in the realm of initiating the Holy Magus virtue? The reason I ask is that there is a note that Kabbalists rarely have True Faith which implies that their magic is divine because they are using divine texts.

Finally, to bring things full circle, this is all inspired by the mental leap my mind made while looking at Bjornaer Clan Sirnas and their role as protectors and the role of a Kabbalist and Golem as protectors. Weird mental leaps for the win!

intresting

Interesting ideas. BTW, it's "Gematria", ultimately from the Gk. geometria.

I love the random response this is now receiving!

Thanks for the spelling correction. I have the vague feeling that I'd seen the error soon after posting but since no one else seemed interested I simple let it drop figuring that it wasn't worth bumping things with an edit.

intresting

It seems to me that what we have is a different, parallel way of looking at the "building blocks of the world" that OoH Mages have with their ten forms (probably with some overlap.) Because OoH mages understand their building blocks, it might be hard for them to integrate the building blocks you've proposed. A bit like how it would be hard* to seamlessly combine HTML and C++. For that reason I'd call them Major Breakthroughs, since they'd require grafting a totally different system into Hermetic Magical Theory. It would probably be worth it tho, especially if it allowed a non-Holy Magus Magus to no longer have to deal with Divine Aura penalties - indeed, it would suggest (to me) that not only do the Mages have the building blocks of the world at their finger tips, but the words by which God defined those blocks, bringing them one step closer to Godhood.

*I assume, I don't know that much about coding, this was a poor metaphor to choose, surely there are two coding languages that don't play nice, please pretend I'm right if I'm not,

I think your coding metaphor works well enough.

At the time I originally posted I was mostly throwing out thoughts without too many worries about specific mechanical answers. I suspect that you are right and it would have to be a set of major breakthroughs even though there is part of me that leans into the similarity in methods between hermetic numerology and Gematria as an indication of a minor breakthrough.

BTW, I should add the disclaimer that follows many of my thoughts. Nothing in this theorycrafting is particularly effective. It's flavorful but clearly would take more effort that it is really worth especially if the saga was one that otherwise leaned into transforming mythic Europe as this was conceived of a part of one mage's path to integrating magic and faith. On the other hand you do have a point that you could view this as a step on a path to knowing the words by which the building blocks of the world are defined and that leads to interesting thoughts.

I don't even know if I'd call it 'not particularly effective' - it seems to me more like how, say, a cathedral is obviously a 'better' building than a wattle-and-daub hut under most circumstances, but it's also far harder to build, takes more time, resources, knowledge, etc. Mages can already (as it were) build a house...out of wattle-and-daub. Integrating all of this would allow them to (eventually) build cathedrals, it might just take a while, perhaps several generations of dedicated practitioners without much to show for it...until they start, I don't know, extracting vis from Divine Auras at the same rate their fellows would Magical Auras? Divine Auras which are plentiful, inexhaustible, and can be intentionally created basically wherever?

From that point of view you are absolutely correct.

My comment was based on the general response on this forum to Hermetic Numerology and investing in powers and methods. Flavorful and cool but inefficient and likely to end up with a mage who gets sidelined because they can't keep up in stories that actually need magi. I'm sure that's saga dependent and can also be a problem for other research focus magi.

You could ditch the thematic link where Hermetic numerology leads the mage to an interest in other, non-Hermetic numerology. You'd save an initiation and associated costs and focus on a mage with exposure to Gematria from a Jewish background. Then their stories are about how they gain access to the powers and methods needed to start work on integration.