2.4 - OOC

The more bishonen, the better :laughing:

I don't have notes on your Patron, Fixer.

I agree! Though I'm still sad that we lost the harem angle.

To be clear, they don't have to be fully stat'd character. They just have to have names, positions, and relevance. And besides, I'm curious to know what the 12 were.

4 - Butcher, baker gardener and cook to ensure kosher meals.
2 - Doctor, rabbi (I missed the rabbit on the first read through of the wiki)
3 - majordomo (companion), custos, family attendant (asst to majordomo, to be at the family's service when the majordomo is out)
3 - Family: Wife & 2 daughters

Ostensibly, the rabbi could be dropped or could be junior to the existing rabbi. Two rabbis would be busy enough though...

The first four jobs are already here, if that's your concern. Likewise, we have Esteban filling the role of doctor. On the other hand, I could see why a Jewish magus living anywhere in the Order would hand pick a retinue like that and keep them around.

What concerns are you trying to resolve by bringing that crew with you?

Oh, and what do you mean by custos and majordomo?

Being kosher is pretty important, those four would be crucial. Right now, I have a minor personality flaw as pious. If I have to switch things around it will probably disappear but I'll RP it. The doctor can go. Jewish doctors were usually some of the best doctors during medieval times, I was thinking that the doctor was a former student of mine at University, and I inspired him to go into medicine, which I could never do, The Gift and my teaching skill being used as a means to keep me from it.
Custos is just that, the personal shield to Ra'am. Oh, btw, he's got an ability block on Martial skills, so if things go south for the shield grog, it's a bad day. Lastly, the majordomo would be the family's steward, I picked majordomo as my word choice because it's etymology is castilian. Since the majordomo would be my eyes and ears out amongst the mundanes having an assistant is important, for the times he is gone and I'm at home. When I'm gone, I'd take the butler to act as my intermediary. I am intending to play with social consequences of having the gift. Interactions with mundanes and I would be vetted through either of those two.

I've posted Ra'am to a thread. There might be an edit or two. I've been writing a bit of backstory about him, but it's not quite ready for consumption.

As mentioned previously, I like the 4-person family dichotomy you have planned, with two gifted children dealing with covenant life.

If you had wanted the doctor as your companion, I would probably have let him in. Given what you've done with what you have already, I'd rather you kept him in your backstory, but leave him out of your retinue. I'd like to use him as a contact point for a story down the line. Is that okay with you?

If you want to bring the rabbi along, then it'd make an interesting conundrum for the covenant. The current rabbi has been doing the job for a very long time, and is much beloved by the local Jewish community, but he's also dead. Your choice on that one.

Of the remaining group, who is going to get played and who are you thinking of as mostly-background? You mentioned that the majordomo as a companion, and the custos will get grog'd out, who else?

Since I joined after Amul's migration into SG my Story Flaw is statted as Major also (for Amos)

Also of note - I've been really bad about posting and disappearing for a week or two. When we first started I was really excited and really let my RL job slip a bit as I stayed up late typing up excessively long and over-detailed posts. :slight_smile:

Recently I sort of went in reverse, and was staying logged into work. I would check in and lurk but not post as I tried to formulate a decent response and ended up getting busy and not responding at all.

Amul suggested a "posting schedule" so I don't let work or posting overrun the other, and I think it's a very good idea. At least until work calms back down a bit, expect to see most of my posting happen on Wednesday and the weekend. And sorry I didn't let you guys know sooner.

That's just fine. I was trying to work on him, and I couldn't make a compelling character. I was having much more fun with the majordomo, who I've actually decided is NOT jewish for an extra twist.

Let's just say that we won't be going to synagogue if he's there. He may be well loved, but it would be heretical to take services from a ghost. On the other hand, the budding Kabbahlist in him is curious, but it hasn't progressed far enough along for him to adjust his personal theology. Nor would the rabbi I'm bringing along approve. There's loads of story potential to keep the ghostly rabbi around. Oh, and by the way, I saw the rabbi mentioned, but I didn't see a reference that he was a ghost, just not counted for loyalty purposes, perhaps I now understand why. My rabbi will be grogged out and fairly one dimensional, mostly backstory.

The butler is going to get a fair treatment, because the majordomo has got a nasty issue. And they'll switch roles, depending on where Ra'am is. I also read the wiki a bit better, that most of the household staff are Jewish, I'm assuming that would cover the butcher baker, gardener and cook? And if so, they know how to prepare a kosher meal and can be convinced to do so, sooner than later? Regina, Ra'ams wife has put up with a lot 'lo these 20 years. She's been promised a better life for 20 years and hasn't seen much evidence of it. If the household staff does Kosher, I'd drop them all in favor of a wainwright/cooper combo. Wine needs to be put in barrels and transported, after all.

So, to answer your question more succinctly, rabbi and custos grogged out. Majordomo is a major companion, butler is a very minor companion, and very young, consider him being apprenticed to the majordomo if you will. Then some sort of specialist, either in the household staff area or the wainwright/cooper combination. A wainwright makes a lot of sense for me, I'll be coming from Normandy tribunal. Moving 100bps is going to need a wagon or 5.

Unanimous, then. Story flaws are Rules As Written. I have updated the first post on the House Rules thread, and added some notes regarding rule/setting interactions which may surprise you (notably, the Correspondence rules).

Yeah, sorry, that probably isn't very clear. For reasons which made sense at the time we were creating those wiki pages, every Warder and Vintner was added to the Atheists and Inhumans page. Anyone with a last name of Warder is a ghost, anyone with the last name of Vintner is a Gossiping Grapevine. They are accepted elements of Cijara/Phoenix life, but probably come across as completely creepy to anyone new to the area.

This is why I like you bringing a rabbi. :smiling_imp:

Most of the manor staff are Jewish women. All the men, including the butcher, baker and cook, went to war at Las Navas de Tolosa and didn't come back. The entire covenant (including its income-generating population) are extremely short-handed, and either women or the infirm. Given your OoH Lore, you'd either not know they had a Jewish staff, or knew but didn't know they all died. Great story potential either way.

The next question is: what gender, religion and marital status are your retinue members? Mars needs women.

A wainwright and cooper workshop exists, and its current staffing is unknown. We're either out, or its being run by widows, children and senior citizens. You're bringing it up -- what would be most fun for you?

100 BPS goes surprisingly fast, in Viscaria's experience.

I need a bit of guidance on an entry thread. When do I pandemonium down upon the covenant by appearing?
Outline is that Ra'am's majordomo will come ahead of the him and the rest of his retinue and announce Ra'am's imminent arrival within a week. If something can be retconned to time Γ‰tienne's arrival to before the events currently taking place and the rest of the party to current events that would be cool. Or any other hook for me to latch onto the story a bit more easily.

If you want Ra'am's majordomo to have arrived last week, (March 7th or whenever), that's fine by me. How's this?

We'll say that Jaime Lannister was too despondent and wrapped up in his grief to see the majordomo, and the introduction got lost. After a few days of this, the majordomo returned to meet up with the caravan, and you all arrive together.

To keep matters simple, if you want to join in immediately, arrive in the A Merchant Arrives thread, shortly after Abdul arrives. We still need your backstory, though. If he's Iberian, what covenant did he come from? One from the list, or something to be added? Why is the full membership offer tempting to him?

I could go with making the butler female... If I brought the household staff I'd mentioned previously all except the butcher would be women. However, they would be background only in my mind.

Ok, let's go with something wild, a female, newly mastered wainwright, who is also a cooper, but not the best cooper, say 2 or 3. She's plainly older than the oldest child who's running the workshop, but he is only a cooper (very good, say an affinity or pussiant or both?). He expects to be named the master of the shop but then along we come. And it's a WOMAN who takes his job... Oh, and she'd be speaking Norman French, with no more than a 2 in Latin because of covenant exposure at Le Maison d'Levrier.

Yes, but books in the MA were large and then they're packed in chests for protection. And the the family expects to ride at a certail level of comfort, while the rest of the retinue , excepr the majordomo, and Ra'am pound dirt.

:LOL:

I'm an evil, evil man.

Wait, I just reread this. You need women? I thought most of the menfolk died in the battle...

D'Oh. You're right. We need men. Not women.

That was just my pants talking, is all. And the strong urge to reference an old techno song that's been in my head all day.

The ensuing discussion left me without a clear direction. So here's where I'm going, unless I hear otherwise.

Wife
Daughter #1
Daughter #2
Majordomo, male, unmarried, and a rake, French Norman Catholic
Butler, male ~15 (boy in today's terms) unmarried Jewish
Rabbi, male widdower
Butcher, male, unmarried Jewish
Baker, male, unmarried Jewish and looking
Wainwright/Cooper, female, "God doesn't build stuff."