Any Errors in Definitive Edition?

Games Discussion Ars Magica
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Have you found any errors in Definitive Edition? If so, please report them using this form:

There are very few reports of errors here. It is, I think, actually possible that this is because the current draft of ArMD is exceptionally clean, and contains almost no errors. (It is derived from texts that the community has been working with for decades, we had months of discussion here, and then @callen and I went through it all again. We could, conceivably, have caught almost everything.) However, I do not believe that.

This is the last chance, because layout is finishing up, and then we will make the final corrections before sending the book to print.

Thank you!

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It is an ancient tenant of my faith that the Definitive Edition is inerrant and any seeming errors are mortal limitations of understanding.

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I know… way too late but p.366. InVi Guidelines, we seem to be missing the Base 10

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Not an error. We now have much more detailed rules, in terms of negative magnitudes, for what that guideline covered.

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On that note, do we have an errata reporting function somewhere? I have found a few from the Markdown project (the relevant ones are listed in the DE markdown file)

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Errata are no longer being collected.

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I’m collecting errata here: Errata - Project: Redcap

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I know it’s too late, and I hope it was already found and corrected, but the “Level 20” header is missing on page 339, Creo Herbam. I suspect it’s hiding in the bottom margin.

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If I could see any content at all in your post, I would be swearing vigorously.

Fortunately for me, I cannot see anything in that space. Not looking, not looking…

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For everyone's convenience (except David, for sanity reasons), here's the DE found issues list from the markdown project I've collected so far. You can always find the latest version at the beginning of the Definitive Edition markdown file from here (a 3MB download): Ars-Magica-Open-License/reviewed at main · OriginalMadman/Ars-Magica-Open-License · GitHub

### Identified Issues From Source PDF Release

Some identified issues present in source PDF (latest release as per march 2026). Note that a few more than these were fixed on the fly (unfortunately didn't start listing them until later in the process):

- Ocasionally missing punctuation at section ends, in tables, lists (some fixed).

- Style inconsistency with hyphenation: Long-Term/Long Term/longterm (partly fixed); as well as Brother-Knight, Long-Winded, Simple-Minded and likely some more (none fixed).

- Inconsistent use of "unravelling" (British spelling) and "unraveling" (American spelling). Three of each throughout the book (not fixed, but we probably should due to linkage)

- Often inconsistent use of punctuation in lists (only occasionally fixed).

- p16: House Tremere voting sigil reference to p314 likely should be p224 (fixed)

- p31-43: Mixed use of both semicolon and comma under Virtues and Flaws throughout all Character Templates (not fixed)

- p38: The spell "Phantom of the Talking Head" should be "Phantasm of the Talking Head" (fixed, thanks to garin1000)

- p76: Early in first column "The character many learn..." should of course be "The character may learn". (fixed)

- p118: The virtue Folk Magic is erroneously listed in Flaws (fixed, thanks to garin1000)

- p236: Weird trailing colon at "Script Bonus: +15:" (fixed)

- p263: Casting Tablets" section is weird have the table within the text (fixed)

- p275: Extraordinary results section looks a bit jumbled in source (cuts from investigating an enchanted item by experimentation straight into overall results w/o heading, David Chart: "The heading got taken into the insert, and not replaced in the main text.", flow problem is fixed in the markdown)

- p279: "Having deciding" should be "Having decided" (fixed)

- p279: "your must add" should be "you must add" (fixed)

- p296: Extra "an" in 2nd paragraph Regio: "...there is an another regio level" (fixed)

- p325: Creo Auram Guidelines: Bottom bullet points are indented under Level 25 (fixed)

- p339: Creo Herbam Spells: "LEVEL 20" heading is missing before "Bridge of Wood" (fixed) - Thanks Jason Tondro.

- p372: Circular Ward Against Demons grammar: "equal to or less than or equal to the level" (fixed)

- p401: Extra "is" in "Fist: This is includes..." (fixed)

- p524: Extra "a" in "...enforce a myriad rules" (fixed)

- p528: Fast Saga grammar garble: "Virtues and Flaws that affect only a character's starting scores are much less important, and should probably be made reclassified or made more effective if they are to be balanced." (not fixed)

- p544: Repeated word: "1 pawn of vis per per spell magnitude" (fixed)

- p546: Spelling error: "accomodate" (fixed)

Found Index Issues (p558-568):

- Arcane Lore listed as Ability instead of Virtue in Index (fixed)

- Casting Tablet entry in index pointing to p180 which only covers covenant resource, the rules are on p263 (fixed)

- Corrupt Beasts misplaced in Index (fixed)

- Enchanting (Ability) (Ability) missing from Index (fixed)

- Premonitions (Virtue) missing from Index (fixed)

- Index Satan points to p21 - there is no Satan there (but mentioned 6 other times in the book, not fixed)

- Secretive (Flaw) is twice in the index - the first one is correct (fixed)

- Sense Holiness and Unholiness (Virtue) is missing in index (fixed, it's page 107)

- Sense Passions (Ability) is missing in Index (fixed, it's page 170)

- Templar Confrere or Consoseur (Virtue) has a typo. The correct spelling is "Consoeur" - in the chapter it's correct.

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I think this may be your misunderstanding. Since the core book it's been

[special] ; [social status] ; [major virtue], [major virtue], ... ; [minor virtue], [minor virtue], ... ; [major flaw], [major flaw], ... ; [minor flaw], [minor flaw], ...

Are there actually any errors? I just checked all of them an couldn't find a single error in commas v. semicolons.

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@callen is right about the Virtues and Flaws lists.

I don't think this is wrong — "a hundred", "a thousand", "a myriad", "a million". Please change it back.

Actually, I'm quite happy with this. These are almost all trivial, and if these are the errors that made it into print in a 550-page book, I think we did quite well.

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@David_Chart Agreed, you should be happy with the limited amounts of mostly trivial errors. You did an absolutely fantastic job - Thank you! :slight_smile:

I don't think this is wrong — "a hundred", "a thousand", "a myriad", "a million". Please change it back.

When running into I assumed this was just a small typo (there are some more I never listed, but I just started to - while I was at it for any further pdf editions if ever), but after looking it up properly it seems to be an acceptable use. However, the two most common varieties are according to experts like Garner's Modern English Usage (and copyeditor guidance) the adjective form: "Enforce myriad rules". This form is more concise and avoids the potentially wordy "a myriad of" construction which is also common, while the version here would be even less common but it seems not wrong. Happy to add it back to conform.

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Interesting, it looks like you are right and it makes sense in that like. However, without that guidance (that I can't see in the book) it does look weird to a reader. I assumed it was PDF translation or OCR screwup at first (since we had a few of those), but then it was in the original pdf. No biggie I think. Perhaps I'll just add it as a note there instead. Thanks

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DONE

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One thing that annoyed me when I saw it was listing "Mazdean Priest" as a recommend social status for North Africa (p.65), rather than Persia.

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Here's a mechanical one I spotted. Hermetic Prestige was changed from giving a reputation of 3 to a reputation of 4 to bring it line with Famous. However, all the examples with it still have reputation 3.

  • Guernicas at gauntlet on p.40.
  • Box about Darius on p.52.
  • Darius on p.53.
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Oh look, another completely blank post. Very strange…

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Oops…

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The forum must be broken for sure...