Before the Order

Hello again.
I hope I'll bother no one by bumping this up again, but I've been thinking :laughing: about Criamon :face_with_spiral_eyes:.

it happened serially, but also in parallel, so I hope I will be clear. Sadly, I didn't have time/ energy to review my books properly, so I hope I won't make too grievous mistakes.

I thought logical to give him a Fast Lesser Domain in Warping, which shifted into a Fast Lesser Domain in Vis, so maybe he had both :sunglasses:.

  1. Warping seems logical. But I noticed that Hermetic Magic can cause Warping (Cr Vi), maybe detect it (There's nothing saying InVi base 10 can't give a rough idea of one's warping Score. It can detect the Gift, after all), but not destroy it ( PeVi) or move it around ( ReVi), probably because of the Limit of Essential Nature :scream:.
    But there is another Technique :sunglasses:.
    One which plays with, and around, Essential Nature. I am speaking, of course, of Muto. We also know that Criamon :face_with_spiral_eyes:brought Twilight to the Order, and that it was an improvement over what existed before. What if he cast a powerful non-hermetic Ritual, similar in Target to Curse of Thoth ( HoH: TL p 76), to change how Warping affected the entire Order?
    In that case, the Hypostasis (HoH: MC p46 wasn't so much found than created by Criamon. Reading the Curse of Thoth, I Wonder… What if the ritual slaying of Criamon primi ( HoH: MC p55) serves to reinforce this ritual, ensuring that, for the Order members, warping continues to manifest as Twilight?
    This, obviously, begs the question: What was the alternative? House Criamon believes that "Warped magi simply died" (HoH: MC p 46). [This is taking me too long: 1 hand, so my fingers ache, and I find my eyes watering from staring at the computer) combined with the bit about Criamon's master "attempted to improve his student through two decades of torturous rituals" gave me 2 ideas:
    His Master warped him, hoping to change him into a sort of Magic Human, and Warping caused wounds. If, say, you had to soak 3* ( warping score + warping points gained)+ a stress die, everything falls back into shape^^.

  2. Vis came from a Warping "fork", in which, like in Mirarion ( remember that discussion?) the corpse of Magi contained vis, for a number of pawns equal to their Warping Score. So, maybe Criamon's master just wanted to "ripen" him :japanese_ogre:, until there was enough vis to harvest in his corpse? This, once again, would almost make sense, given what we know.
    It ended up as Criamon :face_with_spiral_eyes: being the one who brought Vis extraction to the Order :magic_wand: :sparkles:

That's all for now, folks! For now, at least.
I hope you enjoyed reading me. One day, I'll propose a model to create " primitive tradition". But that's another day :grin:

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