If we're trying to use it on multiple grogs, that's going to mean Sun duration - diameter would mean we'd have to try and put it up when under (threat of imminent) attack, which would take too long.
At Touch range, that's Base 15 + 2 Sun + 1 Touch = 30, which is going to cause warping.
I suppose it might be possible to do it via concentration duration and then have the item maintain concentration - that should only be level 25 for warping purposes (and then the Item Maintains Concentration and usage per day levels are added on top of that). What are people's thoughts on the item maintaining multiple effects at once from a single enchantment? I know it's something up on the boards before.
I like the choice we need to make - either protect the grogs all the time with warping, or have the item use Diameter and be a little safer. I'd say go for Diameter,
Salutor - I'm supportive of the item maintaining multiple effects castings concurrently.
I haven't had a chance to look at the problem in any detail--frankly, aside from the whole issue of getting back up to speed, trying to puzzle out how to open Chryse's arts, deal with the lab situation, and possibly enchant an item all within a limited time frame is making my head hurt.
That being said, I'm fairly sure that no one in the covenant could come close to Viola in ReHe, especially when enchanting a device. The practical problem is trying to do that with an unfinished lab and the apprentice situation.
It seems counterintuitive to me that the same enchantment could maintain concentration for multiple effects, but I'm curious what the arguments on the boards have been.
So, as I just found out on the OOC thread, apparently posting the address of a particular post on a line of its own quotes it?
I agree Viola's the best of the covenant magi (at least know that Stephen's gone - his Rego specialisation might have given him the edge). The alternative plan is to get a Verditius involved, especially as there was already some discussion of getting Viola building a spyng device - although the latter is technically less urgent, as it could be done after the mission at a pinch.
I'm kinda at a loss for what to do with Timaios' two seasons (partly because it's been so long since updating) - I don't know whether to use one of the covenant's books, practice a skill, or try to study/develop/master new spells. Any recommendations? Is it worthwhile to master Wielding the Invisible Sling or to develop a rudimentary healing spell?
I was thinking of the two seasons after the Autumn meeting (so, Autumn 1230 and Winter 1231). There may also be Spring 1230 and Summer 1230 if you haven't already filled those (I have for Gregorius, but I'm not sure if everyone else has), but obviously those would be without the knowledge of the discussions.
As far as recommendations go...
I'd probably spend the Spring and Summer on improving his Arts, as that enables him to do more later. Post meeting...basic self defense is useful, but as a (presumed, on the basis of being a Guernicus) Intellego specialist, the other thing that Gregorius would be looking to him for is information gathering spells. I'm not sure exactly what to suggest there, though - the only useful lab texts the covenant library has are Frosty Breath and Spoken Lie, both of which Gregorius has and at least one of which Timaios already has. Spells like The Inexorable Search (InCo 20, pg 131), Summoning the Distant Image (InIm 25, pg 145) or any of the various "talking to things" spells could be useful, but I'm not sure if he can learn them?
Unfortunately the formatting of Timaios' character sheet broke when the forum software changed, which isn't making it any easier to work out exactly what he can do.
Edit to add: One thing the covenant does have a lab text for is Enchantment of the Scrying Pool. That's a level 30 InAq(Im) ritual, so relatively expensive to cast and not trivial to learn, but it could potentially be useful given we know the Amazons have their homeland "in" a sea.
Timaios' primary Art is Mentem (8). He cannot reach Inexorable Search or Summoning the Distant Image yet. Really he needs to get some improvements on his Arts before he can reliably hit 20s with anything other than InMe and ReMe.
I'll edit the post of the character sheet to reformat it.
I guess the question is, should he master spells he already has, use covenant books to try to study Arts, or try to learn a new low-level spell or two that might help? Or just spend his seasons getting a little bit of skill in fighting and riding since presumably we'll wind up having to do that?
Thanks Salutor, if the two seasons are Autumn 1230 and Winter 1231 then Fray has another season of activity he can do something, as his first was inventing a sight based Intangible Tunnel,so his (and others) voice/touch/etc spells can now be targeted from much further away.
Fray will need some Vis if the covenant wants some items to strengthen the grogs.
A trinket which casts Doublet of Silk multiple times ballpark level 20, and an Eyes of the Cat trinket ballpark level 10, both simple devices.
If not that then Fray will likely advance his spells or arts for direct confrontation.
I'd spend at least some of his time improving his Arts. Right now I think he's about 7 levels off being able to learn Enchantment of the Scrying Pool from a lab text, which he can't quite do in the time he has available, but he might if I've missed some points (I haven't tried to look at his lab stats, for example).
If there are specific low level spells he thinks would be useful as formulaics which he can learn quickly that might be worth considering - he's already got Wielding the Invisible Sling, but something defensive might not hurt. I'd consider, though, whether a spell needs to be a formulaic, or whether sponting it would make sense (some balance of how much he expects to need it, how much it tiring him is likely to matter and whether he can spont it).
Assuming the vis stocks in the Covenant thread are up to date, we've got one pawn of Animal, 20 pawns of Corpus and 5 pawns of Muto. Gregorius is reasonably happy to spend the Animal (we've got a source), and a bit less keen but not adamantly opposed to spending the others.
Also, it looks like Timaios first joined up in 1228 (at the Tribunal), so he may have a loooot of seasons of study to catch up to the current date.
Regardless, two seasons reading Insights into Insight (the summa, not the tractatus) could net me 24 Intellego xp and push Timaios from level 5 to level 8, if we think that pursuing Intellego is a good idea. If he has more seasons than that to spend in study, could do even more.
Note that Timaios needs to rely on formulaic spells because he has the Difficult Spontaneous Magic flaw.
I think it depends in part on what your long term plans are for the character? That said, for a Quaesitor I'd usually expect Intellego to be important. Some Parma would probably be good as well (although that will need a bit of juggling with what everyone else is doing, and sadly the convenient table JohnGraham52 did is another victim of the forum software change).
I'm open to following what the team thinks will be helpful for the storyline. Intellego is certainly a strong contender. I agree that turning the library reserve form into a Google doc is probably a good way to go for our planning purposes.
I have now put it as a table in the other thread. That said, if someone else wants to google-doc it I'm happy for them to - I don't have it myself, though.