Character development

sounds good.

I'm going to assume that you have True Lineages. If not let me know.

Are you looking at being a Displtants? A Tremere Certamen specialist? Or just a Tremere who happens to duel?

If you are really going to specialize in Certamen then you might want to replace Inventive Genius with something else. I would not think you would spend much time in the lab inventing things. Perhaps Skinchanger or skilled Parens.

You could switch Elementalist with Secondary Insight. It would be more useful to expand your arts than just the 4 elements.

Just some ideas and thoughts to help you think thought the character

I'll edit my character to fit those ideas in. I have the book, but have yet to complete reading it. I want him to like to duel, but not specialize in it, I'd suppose.
--Edited the character sheet.

Personally I find Study requirment to be a huge pain as a flaw , you need to find a suitable palce for all of your arts and for some of them that can be a real pain, I thought it worked well for an elementalist but unless is is central to you concept I would take something else. But it isn;t a problem as such so feel free to take it

Yes. It works easier for Havlard and for low level arts than it would for a generalist.

Firstly Iolar will trade for a book for 18 pawns of Ignem vis .leaving her with 6 pawns of Ignem vis (Based on prices from covenant paid 3 pawns over the odds)
A Sound Summae on Imagonem Level 15 Quality 13
1st Season Practice Nature Lore (6xp)
2nd Season Practice Heartbeast Skill
3rd Practice Heartbeast skill
These first three seasons she will in practice not actually be at the covenant
4th season - Travelling in Greece with Roberto and Wirth
5th season Read Summae in Parma magica (11xp)
6th Season Read Creo summae
7th season Read Creo Summae
8th Season Read Rego Summae
9th Season read Intellego Summae
10th Season Read Herbam Summae
11th Season Read Imagonem Summae
12th Season Read Imagonem summae

As her service to the covenant she gifts the Summae to the covenant library

I looked Restriction and Necessary Condition as possible replacements.

Do you need some ideas for history or working with the character?

I was having trouble cause I was trying to make an in depth one, but was suffering from writers block. Max suggested a quick history for now. I'll edit it out later hopefully.
Thank you for asking though. :slight_smile:

Hi everybody,

here are the first ideas about my charakter conzept ....

Javier was the apprentice of Alejandro ex Jerbiton from Toledo in Castile. His parens was an old allie of Joel Muniza of Flambeau.
Alejandro was (like Joel Muniza) an fearious backer of the reconquista.
But instead of acting directly against his enemies, Alejandros tactic was to ratten and split them.
He and Javier were working as spies for the Knights of Seneca, in the carmouflage of a master-hunter and his assistant.
Alejandro was certain that the most important condition for an victory over an enemy was to know his enemy, his actions were much more subtle than Joels attacks, but they were no less effective.
Alejandros lust for information went so far that he kidnapped a gifted child (Javier) from the Almohades to raise it as his apprentice. Javier was smart and clever enough to move unnoticed between the Almohades and to obtain informations which no adult man could not have stolen. Alejandros didn'participate directly in the great battle of Las Navas de Tolosa, but it was an open secret that he had participated in the planning of the battle.
Nobody could prove it, but enemitys were made, schemes were devised and implemented, several wars were declared.
In the recent past Alejandro was slain in an Wizards War.
But Alejandro had made preparations before his dead, he had transfered his apprentice (in the wittness of a Quaesitor ) to Santiago of Flambeau to secure his legacy and his knowlege for the knights of seneca.
Santiago himself gave the jung man to a place were nobody would search a young apprentice of value. To his filius Roberto at the rotten convent of novus mane.

I'm curious about your comments ....
CU Jan

edit: replaced Roberto by Santiago

Perhaps Alejandro should give Javier to Santiago ex Flambeau ( Roberto's mentor) and Santiago will transfer the hot potato to Roberto.

Ohhps :laughing: I thougth I was writing that :blush: :wink:

Sounds great :smiley:

Santiago is not Roberto's parens. He is Roberto's mentor.

So when you take the gauntlet, you will be Flamebeau....

I like how his story echoes mine. My parens dies (battlefield gauntlet) and I was dumped off on Santiago who became my mentor. Now it has come full circle, and I become the mentor with a young magus dumped off on my doorstep :smiley:

@santiago / roberto / parens / mentor

Yes I confused that :wink: , but it doesn't change the story, it's important that santiago has a strong link to roberto, who has himself a strong link to my parens by Joel Muniza

@flambeau / gauntlet
Yes I know, that's the funny thing, resulting out of this little intrigue,
Alejandro rescues his apprentice and therefore is taking care that his legacy continues and house flambeau get's an muslim born apprentice (although with an christian upbringing) who holds knowledge about muslim culture (which is important to defeat the almohades).
Alejandro could have given his apprentice to an other magi, but an appearence of house fambeau is simply good "protected" and still better avenged .... there is an other philosophie about education in house flambeau, but this is Javier's problem not Alejandro's :unamused:

@story echo
I think so too, it gives them something in common
( and we provide max enhough stuff for an vacation in spain :wink: )
Maybe we could construct together who our enemies are and if we had known each other in the past.

Very funny, go for it!

It's also fun to see a character trained as a spy be an apprentice for roberto, especially with Wirth around, I like this :laughing:

Ok, let's start with answering about your considerations at the design thread,

@Marko / Berbers / Arabs ....
Yes you are right. I suppose I have to do some background work, i did know that the Almohades were from North Africa, but I didn't recognize that they were Berbers .... I asked a friend of mine for the book of the iberian tribunal and one about africa (it's called "South of the sun") but I will get them not until thursday .... so I depend on you to correct my thinkings if they don't met the "reality" in mythic europe :slight_smile:.

@On which art should I focus Javier
That's a difficult question, but as it would have a strong influence about his living style I should decide that before going into the details.
The first thing to note is that his magic would not be very powerful.
He is still an apprentice and as a jerbiton his master layed his focus more in teaching him a good foundation based on abilities instead of teaching him many arts ....

In my opinion there are the following options,

  1. He could be focused on intellegio, simply because this would have been very useful in his past. But there are some snags about this solution.
    Spying is not only about hearing the right thing at the right place, it contains diplomacy, hiding , intrigues and burglary.
    Those are all things were intellegio is not very helpful.
    And at last, the character should at last have a chance to get an good Flambeau, it's very difficult with intellegio alone :wink:

  2. focusing on imaginem
    This seems to be the more offensive version of focusing in intellegio, cause it gives many possibilities for espionage in all forms (except the james bond tatic of simply using more action than your enemies could get along with). But it's not the path of becoming a fearious figther

Both options implie that Alejandro was an realy asshole, because he gives his apprentice to the flambeau although he knows that he would have great difficulties with coping with this situation. (But who cares Alejandro is death and Javier is in an bad position for revenge).

But there are some other possibilitys.

  1. focusing on mentem ....
    Mentem seems to be the more socialising alternative to imaginem, it has good alternatives for acquireing information,
    some possibilities for escape, and even some possibilities for fighting (when you think of sleep or blackouts).

  2. focusing on rego
    He could be focused on rego, because it provides a good combination of for nearly every situation,
    a magus trained in rego is fast, can control people,has good offensive spells and provides some spells that are very good for burglary and politics ....

But I would prefer one of the former alternatives, simply because I suppose it's more fun to play a inapted flambeau, than a apted but unusual one.
What would you think?
Marko would you want to have a apprentice who has to be reinvented to become a good flambeau?
Or should I lay some basics to work on ....

Althought I prefer the first, both alternatives sound good to me.

Roberto will find a way to work with you :smiling_imp:
Design yourself as who you are to begin with, I will worry about making you a warrior (first step is learning to swing a sword and consort with grogs :laughing:
I have never read South of the Sun, don't know if it is good or bad. I have Iberia, it is my favorite :smiley:. But mind you, it is from 3rd edition, and it isn't 100% accurate (side note, all references to corruption and the infernal were added to the book by the editor, and were not part of the original authors intention). I actually reccomend Wikipedia for a quick Spanish history. I had added Flambeau to the history of Pelayo at one time, but they edited that out :laughing: (was good while it lasted though).
Intellego is indeed a useful art. Intelligence is the greatest weapon of the warrior. Roberto will drill that phrase into your head again and again. Mentem and Imaginem have good uses too.

Take what you feel is right for the character considering his Jerbiton background. I will whip him into shape :smiling_imp:

Yes you are right. I suppose I have to do some background work, i did know that the Almohades were from North Africa, but I didn't recognize that they were Berbers .... I asked a friend of mine for the book of the iberian tribunal and one about africa (it's called "South of the sun") but I will get them not until thursday .... so I depend on you to correct my thinkings if they don't met the "reality" in mythic europe :slight_smile:.

South of the Sun while interesting is of no use whatsoever.
It is A) for 2nd edition
B) about a mythical africa around Prester Johns Kingdom and has about as much information on Africa that is relevant to actual history as a corned beef sandwhich.

What's wrong about an corned beef sandwhich ? :smiley:
I suppose you've saved my reading time :wink: