Covenant design discussion

Okay...Spacious doesn't count, then, since it was bought with points? In which case, wouldn't Lesser Feature (Still) not count, either, since it was also bought with build points? (sorry, just a little confused and trying to make sure everything is balanced)

Actually, I was just thinking that you wouldn't take Spacious and take the Lesser Feature.
When zlorfik donated his build points, he suggested spacious for "free" Since you're paying bps for a still, I just thought you'd take the still instead of spacious. If you want spacious, too, you'd need the flaw.

I guess I need to make this clarification somewhere.
Since a regio requires a corresponding increase in Aura, the manor house side, and all of the Mount actually (it's huge) is an aura of 4. The castle side is 5.

Fiona's Lab

Fiona's lab and sanctum are in a squat stone cottage, surrounded on all four sides by a large garden; each plot is as large as the building itself is. The sanctum marker itself is placed on the cottage door.

Size: +1
Refinement: +0
General Quality: 1
Upkeep: 3
Safety: 4
Warping: 0
Health: 2
Aesthetics: 4

Specializations: Muto +1, Rego +1, Herbam +1; Extracting Vis +1

[u]Minor Virtues[/u]
Lesser Feature (Still)(Aesthetics +1; Muto +1) – this is a Hermetic still, not to be confused with the still that Fiona uses to make her whisky. (paid for with Peregrine_Bjornaer's build points)
Spacious (Safety +2, Aesthetics +1) (paid for with zlorfic's build points)

[u]Free Virtues[/u]
Dedicated Building (Upkeep +1, Aesthetics +1; Rego +1)
Idyllic Surroundings (Health +2, Aesthetics +1; Herbam +1) – due to being surrounded on all sides by an extensive garden.
Superior Construction (Safety +1, Aesthetics +1)
Superior Equipment (General Quality +1, Upkeep +2, Safety +1; Extracting Vis +1)

[u]Flaws[/u]
Undecorated (Upkeep -1, Aesthetics -1)

I adjusted the Aegis of the Hearth spell in the library see below and or the Covenant Description text:

[1] The lab text has been upgraded to 35th level from 30th level at no cost. I'm adjusting the Aegis of the Hearth with the following guidelines: Base boundary is a 100 pace circle, which amounts to ~70,686 square feet or 1.61938 acres. Adjusting the boundary up by one magnitude, would reduce the effecitve Aegis coverage by one magnitude and increase the area covered by a factor of 10. To cover the 200 hectares (494.022 acres), which is the exterior wall on top of Mont Beuvray one needs to increase the boundary to 1,619.38 acres, or +3 magnitudes. The Aegis will cover the entirety of the mount and onto the other side of the Regio with ease at 20th level effect.

Also, this item has been under-discussed in the First council thread. If you want to live without an Aegis, that's certainly fine by me... :slight_smile:

So, based on the rejiggering of the Aegis of the Hearth to 35th level, we need a total WiCo of 70th level to get it off the ground. Apollodorus, Fiona and Silviatos all have Wico, and as luck would have it they have 40+15+15=70, but that's until the WiCo errata comes into play.
Factoring in Muvi errata, I think, if I recall, but I'm not willing to look it up right now, and I'll edit this post accordingly or just HR it...
If WiCo were sun duration, that would leave the extra power for increasing the level of the spell to 30+5+5 as it stands now, which is 40th level, or 30 levels short.
Thre is a 30th level WiCo in the library, if two people learn it that would get you to 80 total levels, more than double the AoH 35th level. Below are the lab totals as I've calculated them for these spells. This is an important discussion that needs to happen in the Council thread.

ReVi Lab Totals
[table][tr][td]Character[/td][td]Re[/td][td]Vi[/td][td]Int[/td][td]Mt[/td][td]Aura[/td][td]Bonus[/td] [td]Total[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Silviatos[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]35[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Alexei[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Iosephus[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Onesiphorus[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]35[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fiona[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]23[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Apollodorus[/td] [td]Don't[/td][td]Ask[/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td]0[/td][/td][/tr][/table]

MuVi Lab Totals
[table][tr][td]Character[/td][td]Mu[/td][td]Vi[/td][td]Int[/td][td]Mt[/td][td]Aura[/td][td]Bonus[/td] [td]Total[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Silviatos[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]35[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Alexei[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Iosephus[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]43[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Onesiphorus[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fiona[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td][/td] [td]34[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Apollodorus[/td] [td]Don't[/td][td]Ask[/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td]0[/td][/td][/tr][/table]

I don't have any objection to these.

I know House Bonisagus is all about "Information must be free!", but some of these appear to divulge information that either the author or the subjects wouldn't want widely disseminated. My first thoughts follow the appropriate books.

What about secret alliances or those made behind closed doors? I know Fiona (with the Secretive Flaw) wouldn't want any or all of her deals posted on the church door. Maybe "as exhibited (or as seen) in the Normandy Tribunal"?

Nice little almanacs, there. Could be handy for researching which way any given magus is likely to lean.

Would the redcaps release "proprietary information" like the delivery directions? I can see "Believed to live in the area of Chartres" or "In a cave in the Pyrenees, north of Etsaut." I would imagine that the Redcaps would want delivery directions kept confidential, to keep their delivery business intact.

This would be handy.

There are some build points that remain unspent from the previous players who aren't in the game any longer.

Hitsumei and Victor Sim you have another 70 bps of items that are already at the covenant, but appeal to your characters.

The 75 bps of things you bring with you are yours to share you wish, except books might be bound under Cow and Calf.

I would like a Cave Painting Gallery (see Ancient Magic pg 60) in the regio somewhere (can be in a 6+ aura if necessary) that I will setup a future lab. It gives a +3 Creo Corpus bonus. Can that be done for less than 70 bps?

No, but thanks for the story idea.

I would prefer swapping out these tractatus

I haven't finished the Library, yet, but I did mention in the council thread that there was a summa on Aegis Mastery. I also think that these should have a mastery skill attached to them. I can see penetration for breaching, but I'm not sure what would apply for Maintaining.

And for your books, you may feel free to name the authors. They may or may not be alive. I may adjust the books, with different titles that are more reflective or make better sense. For example, the other tractatus you're planning to bring with you I might change the titles slightly to give a better sense of history. Since the political structure of the Tribunal is feudal in nature changes happen very slowly, so you wouldn't see a lot of change in alliances from 1207 to 1214.

Indeed, I believe there was 20 bps of "unspecified specialists", among other things perhaps.

I hereby submit to the Troupe 70bps of covenant resources :

--- (30 bps) Vis Source : The mist of forgotten dreams - Mentem 6 pawns
Location : Near the ruins of Bibracte. When unwary travelers, poachers, pig handlers, or anyone is setting camp for the night during the last week of Autumn, they will slumber into a deep sleep when comes a night mist. At down, the mist retreats, taking with it the forgotten dreams of the campers. It then coalesces in dimly shimmering dew on a mossy standing stone, with celtic engraving the meaning of which has been forgotten by all (yes, even Fieltarn ). The moss, imbued with dewdrops can be harvested for 6 Mentem pawns.

--- (6bps) Specialist : StableMaster /Animal Handling(Horses) 6

--- (4 bps) Four Riding Horses of quality (not oustandish, but worthy mounts for a lord/lady/dignified magus).

--- (6 bps) Specialist : Beekeeper / Beekeeping 3, Honey&Hydromel craft 3

--- (4bps) Specialist : Candlemaker 4 (reducing costs of our candle and wax tablets consumption)

--- (20 bps) Summa, "On the Songs of Streams and Murmurs of Dormant Lakes", Aquam level 10, Quality 10.

Submission for approval, Fieltarn's 75 personal bps :

Vis stash (90% of theses are carefully hidden in the wilderness), accumulated over 30 years as a peregrinatores still entertaining the almost fading hope of joining a covenant.
--- 2 bps in Vis Stock (intended as Gifts to other resident magi) : 2 pawns on 5 different Arts.
--- 11 bps in vis stock (55) : 10 Mentem, 10 Animal, 15 Rego, 10 Pawns of Vim, 5 Imaginem, 5 Pawn Muto)

--- Lab texts : 46 bps. (the covenant's library seemed worryingly modest)
(6) Commanding the Harnessed Beast ReAn30
(4) Phantasmal Animal CrIm20
(5) Summoning the Distant Image InIm25
(5) Eye of the Eagle InIm25
(5) Transformation of the Ravenous Beast to the Torpid Toad MuAn25
(4) True Rest of the Injured Brute CrAn20
(5) Mastering the Unruly Beast ReAn25
(6) Bestial Senses InAn30 (cf Net Wizard's Grimoire)
(6) Cloak of Black Feathers MuCo(An) 30

(16) Ogmios' Saddle : the Saddle of Fieltarn's pater who was, like him a great traveller.
Invested Item (vis/enchantment places : leather2x4large : 8, 4 used)
Effect (lvl 40) : The Wizard's Mount (CrAn35 Touch, Sun, Ind), 3x/day(+2). +3 restricted to magi.
(cost = effect level / 5 *2)

I'm going to keep Victor Sim's selections for the library, I like them, and they will be useful to everyone (the 70 that needed to be spent by the covenant's founders, not the 75 he's bringing with him). And splitting the 70 into 35 for the two new players makes it more challenging or less useful.

With Fieltarn's most recent adjustments, the Saddle doesn't make as much sense now. scrach head I'll come up with something else methinks.

It doesn't make sense for Fieltarn, true. However his Pater may not have been Inoffensive to Animals, but Fieltarn is. Additonally, there might be other Magi who could make use of such an item. It has trading power, even if it isn't as useful to your character.

Indeed. Besides, even if I don't trade it, or in the meantimes (depends what's in store at Tribunal I guess), it may help my fellow covenant's buddies. Besides, it's kinda fun to picture Fieltarn/any Magus walking into a covenant with a bulky saddle over his shoulder.

I will leave it up to the others. If there is no interest in makeing books then I'll leave it. It seems that we could have room to grow a bit before we start making books.

You'd be able to make one book per year without impacting covenant finances.
This includes copies of existing works.