I'll second that, and I really hope you continue to be one after this post. Please understand I'm trying to help, not pick a fight.
I think the new version of Marius is better, but I still think it's way too much. Ditto for Donna and Adan. I haven't responded on these topics because my concerns are subjective and I didn't want to be 'that guy'. However, I think I've hit on a way to illustrate my concerns with some level of objectivity while hopefully not coming off as a jerk. We'll see if I'm successful...
I've reviewed every active magus, companion, and grog on the wiki. The following is a list of all the examples I could find of Abilities above level 5. I'm focusing on Abilities of 6+ because I (personally and subjectively) classify anyone exceeding 5 as an 'expert' at that Ability. Others may disagree, but I don't think a difference in personal benchmarks will drastically affect my point. Items with an asterisk represent an Affinity virtue.
Arachne, age 63 – MT 6
Carmen, 47 – MT 7
Fedora, 33 – Ride 6*
Solomon, 67 – MT 7
Vocis, 54 – Finesse 6*, MT 6
Vulcanus, 38 – MT 6
Roberto, 43 – Single Weapon 6
Bernhard, 41 – Craft: Blacksmith 6, Single Weapon 7+2
Alexandro, 60 – Leadership 8+2, Single Weapon 7+2
Moses, 100 – Area Lore 6, Brawl 7, Profession 6, Single Weapon 6
Johan, 27 – Brawl 7+2*, Profession 6*
Alejandro, 32 – Single Weapon 6+2
Liberto, 34 – Bows 7
Teodor, 40 – Brawl 7+2
Fausto, 45 – Single Weapon 8
Allen Girard, 37 – Single Weapon 6
Albert, 42 – Profession 6
Nicasi, 47 – Profession 6
By my count, that's fourteen 6s, eight 7s, and two 8s, ignoring Puissant. With only one exception (Johan), all of these characters are in their 30s or older. The youngest non-Johan character with more than one 6+ is Bernhard at 41 years old and the only character with more than two 6+ is the 100-year-old Moses, who has four. Alexandro, at 60 years old, is the only character with more than one 7+. I propose that these numbers give us a rough baseline for Abilities in this saga, with Johan as something of an outlier (it's good to be the SG ).
Now contrast this baseline with the non-magus characters you've drafted. Adan is 32, with Profession 8+2 and Theology 6. Donna is 46, with Craft 11+2(!!!), Guile 8, and Leadership 7. The latest version of Marius is 36, with Teaching 7+2 and five more Abilities at 7.
I realize all of your characters are 100% valid. All the rules and house rules were followed. My concern is they don't fit the power level that's established for this saga. Based on the existing characters, the troupe has established certain benchmarks for what constitutes a high Ability level and a 'maximum' number of high Abilities. This wasn't intentional (though Marko probably influenced it), but it happened. What I would like to see is for you to bring your characters more in line with what we've established. In Adan's case, it's probably just a matter of adding 10 years to his age and spreading all those extra xp around in other Abilities that make him more well-rounded. In Donna's case, I think that Craft should come down to 8, maybe 9, the other two high Abilities should be no higher than 6, and the extra xp should be spread around elsewhere.
With Marius...I don't know. I know Fixer suggested having several 7s, so you're just reacting to our feedback (see 'good sport', above ). It looks like Marko also approves. I personally think Marius needs to be toned down a lot and made several years older. He could also use more social skills so he's useful outside the classroom. But I could be alone in those opinions (and several others mentioned here), in which case I'll shut up (I know, finally) and accept the judgement of the troupe. Never let it be said that Tremere are not team players. :mrgreen: