RIP: Apollodorus of Jerbiton/Xenophon of Tremere

[Jonathan.Link]

@Marko Markoko

Short and sweet answer
I was just thinking that these may very well indeed be Major Breakthrough spells. The guy had the stats to pull it off.
So these texts are in the covenant's posession? We need to get these copied! There could be big money in this if we find a lab rat interested in continuing this research.

Sometimes I introduce things in another thread. It's reasonable that Roberto has no idea that this stuff exists and doesn't until someone mentions it... Her thread ended with the disclosure of some brand new information. It perhaps created the impetus for the magi to finally learn Greek.

Start reading from this point.

[Jonathan.Link]

Oh, forgot the totally obvious one, of course in Greek.
The Leap of Mass Homecoming ReCo50
R:T, D:Mom, T:Group
Base 35
As the text in the 5th Edition Text.
There is a notation that any people with you in the lab while learning this spell count as having the effect designed for them.

[The_Fixer]

@Jonathan.Link

Aegis of the Soldier's Hearth ReVi 50, 40, ReVi 30, ReVi 25
R:Touch, D: Ring, T: Circle
As Aegis of the Hearth, final effectiveness is determined by subtracting modifications for range and touch, in this case 3 magnitudes, for a final effectiveness equivalent to an Aegis 35.There are notes that recommend this spell, or similar spells be cast by junior magi and they invite senior magi into the Aegis, because spells over 6 total magnitudes do inflict warping, unlike Aegis of the Hearth.

Isen is positively drooling when he learns about this.

That, and he'll need to learn the mass leap. He doesn't like it, but it's too usefull for the covenant for him to pass over.

[Jonathan.Link]

Of course, he needs to learn Greek, or someone else needs to learn those spells, and then translate their own lab texts into a readable format.
These lab texts are translated lab texts, they are not in Apollodorus's shorthand, unless I have noted that the text needs to be figured out. But those are more than just shorthand, too.

[jebrick]

@Jonathan.Link

Of course, he needs to learn Greek, or someone else needs to learn those spells, and then translate their own lab texts into a readable format.
These lab texts are translated lab texts, they are not in Apollodorus's shorthand, unless I have noted that the text needs to be figured out. But those are more than just shorthand, too.

In Magi Planner, i have Jacques learning Aegis of the Soldier's Hearth. This comes after he has Greek 4 and after Korvin has cataloged what is in the documents.

We may have to have a discussion about these lab texts being translated to Latin for the moment. As with the others, Learning the Greek is a hurtle that someone else would have to overcome as well. They will eventually come out but is it worth delaying?

[Jonathan.Link]

Jacques could give his lab text for the spell over to someone else and that individual could translate it. Or he could spend time translating lab texts. Whatever happens is a discussion for the players. But there are certain mechanics that need to be observed here...

[jebrick]

@Jonathan.Link

Jacques could give his lab text for the spell over to someone else and that individual could translate it. Or he could spend time translating lab texts. Whatever happens is a discussion for the players. But there are certain mechanics that need to be observed here...

i understand. I'm just bring it up to start the discussion...which is better in another thread.

[Jonathan.Link]

It can happen here, as far as I care. It can happen elsewhere, too. It's not like there's a whole lot to put in here...

[The_Fixer]

@Jonathan.Link

Of course, he needs to learn Greek, or someone else needs to learn those spells, and then translate their own lab texts into a readable format.
These lab texts are translated lab texts, they are not in Apollodorus's shorthand, unless I have noted that the text needs to be figured out. But those are more than just shorthand, too.

By 1227, he will have. This is for later use