This is where the discussion ended last time:
I say a ward is a spell and is bound by the core rules of the 5th ed like any other spell.
Let us compare a CrIg(Re) 25 spell of Circle duration that has the effect of creating a circle of fire that runs high up and only burns when crossed(entering/exiting the circle) versus a ward again the fearies ReVi 25 circle also.
Both are hermetic spells designed from the same magic theory. In the rules, it states that wards are a special note because the creature warded aginst canot do anything to free itself directly or indirectly.
Let us pose that the faerie is inside the circle & the spell is already in effect.
When the Faerie tries go thru the fire it will make a MR test to see if it is burned. The fire spell has a penetration total that needs to go thru the farie's MR to have any effect which means the magus needs a CT of LVL+MR to go thru. Instead of going thru the fire, the Faerie pies on it which finally cuts the circle and by doing so ends the spell and is free to go. This fire spell was learned as an hermetic spell of level 25 and faced two problems, the circle could be affected by the faery and it needed to penetrate the MR of the creatures that wanted to cross it to affect it.
When the Faerie tries to leave the ward What does happen ?
I say the same thing as any other spell except that the ward has the side benefit that the faery cannot pie on it to break the circle(Which is already a very big side benefit), if the penetration of the ward penetrates the might of the faery.
The other view is to say the ward holds the Fearie up to the level of the Ward without any other considerations(No penetration required which would mean that anyone who can cast the ward has the same protection/containment force)
Now, why should wards be so much more powerfull than any other spell in core hermetic theory. Is it a breakthru?
I would very like to get to the bottom of it. I'm not forcing you into the debate...