Seasonal Activities and Advancement

John_Graham_52 · February 16, 2019, 10:53am

What is the stance in this campaign on corresponding on Parma? It seems risky to me but you may have a different take on it.

John_Graham_52 · February 16, 2019, 3:27pm

[size=150]Thought this may be useful to track any of us wanting the same resource at the same time.[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 2/3rd season, 11XP[/td]
[td]Read Leadership summae, 13xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Rego summa, 16xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Enchant Talisman[/td]
[td]Invent Profound Magnification of the Beast MuAn 20 and Hand of the Clumsy Beast MuAn(Co) 10, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Learn Leap of Homecoming from lab text[/td]
[td]Read Vim summa, 12xp[/td]
[td]Read Roots of Aquam, 15xp[/td]
[td]Invent Submerge the Irritating Hovel MuTe(Aq) 20, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 2/3rds of a season 7xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Learn Gather the Essence of the Beast from lab text[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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[size=150]Correspondence[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
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[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
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[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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Salutor · February 16, 2019, 5:01pm

Our Parma book came with an enchanted device specifically intended to destroy it at range if things went badly wrong, and a Quaesitor outside the covenant holds an arcane connection to it (and a similar device).

So probably frowned on?

Note that due to the time spent at tribunal, people other than Fray (who didn't go) and Viola (who has even less time, and needs to be added to the chart) only have 2/3 of a season to spend on study, reducing their xp gain accordingly.

Ironboundtome: I think Fray should be getting 2xp from Exposure Experience in his lab seasons, rather than 1xp?

Salutor · February 16, 2019, 5:20pm

The 2/3 should round up, so 11xp -> 8xp rather than 7 xp.

(Also, I really don't like the practice of going back and editing things after people have responded to them, as it makes the subsequent comments nonsensical and means that anyone rereading the thread later can't tell what's going on. It's also harder to spot when something's been changed as there's no new post. Please can you therefore post updated versions of the table, rather than going back and editing the old one?)

John_Graham_52 · February 16, 2019, 5:25pm

No problem, will do.

Salutor · February 16, 2019, 5:28pm

Thanks.

John_Graham_52 · February 16, 2019, 5:40pm

[size=150]Thought this may be useful to track any of us wanting the same resource at the same time.[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 2/3rd season, 11XP[/td]
[td]Read Leadership summae, 13xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Rego summa, 16xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Enchant Talisman[/td]
[td]Invent Profound Magnification of the Beast MuAn 20 and Hand of the Clumsy Beast MuAn(Co) 10, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Learn Leap of Homecoming from lab text[/td]
[td]Read Vim summa, 12xp[/td]
[td]Read Roots of Aquam, 15xp[/td]
[td]Invent Submerge the Irritating Hovel MuTe(Aq) 20, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 2/3rds of a season 8xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Learn Gather the Essence of the Beast from lab text, +2xp Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[[td][/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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[size=150]Correspondence[/size]

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[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td][/td]
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[td][/td]
[td][/td]
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[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]Rego +1xp, with TheosIgnem of Polyaigos (made up friendly magus from home covenant)[/td]
[td]Rego +1xp, with TheosIgnem[/td]
[td]Rego +1xp, with TheosIgnem[/td]
[td]Rego +1xp, with TheosIgnem[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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Salutor · February 16, 2019, 5:45pm

I don't think the Rego Correspondence is linked to his studies? Note that (from the House Rules):

MTKnife:

We're using the extended books rules from Covenants, including the Correspondences rule on pg. 90.

In order for a character to earn an XP from a Correspondence in a given season, the correspondence must touch on the Art or Ability in which the XP is earned (this means that both correspondents will earn an XP in the same Art or Ability), and that Art of Ability must have been the subject of the character's research or reading in the previous four seasons. For these purposes, "research" includes any work in the lab, including teaching, though for some activities, such as setting up a lab, the only Art of Ability that the character will be able to gain an XP for will be Magic Theory. The correspondents need not discuss the same Art or Ability each season, but their letters cannot be bound into a Tractatus until they have eight seasons' worth on a given Art or Ability. The troupe sees Correspondences as a mean to encourage roleplay, and so players are encourage to flesh out their characters' correspondents, and SG's are encouraged to involve those correspondents in plots.

John_Graham_52 · February 16, 2019, 5:46pm

Salutor:

I don't think the Rego Correspondence is linked to his studies? Note that (from the House Rules):

MTKnife:

We're using the extended books rules from Covenants, including the Correspondences rule on pg. 90.

In order for a character to earn an XP from a Correspondence in a given season, the correspondence must touch on the Art or Ability in which the XP is earned (this means that both correspondents will earn an XP in the same Art or Ability), and that Art of Ability must have been the subject of the character's research or reading in the previous four seasons. For these purposes, "research" includes any work in the lab, including teaching, though for some activities, such as setting up a lab, the only Art of Ability that the character will be able to gain an XP for will be Magic Theory. The correspondents need not discuss the same Art or Ability each season, but their letters cannot be bound into a Tractatus until they have eight seasons' worth on a given Art or Ability. The troupe sees Correspondences as a mean to encourage roleplay, and so players are encourage to flesh out their characters' correspondents, and SG's are encouraged to involve those correspondents in plots.

It is worse than that in that he does not have a lab so can't read the lab text anyway. Will edit (and re-post).

John_Graham_52 · February 16, 2019, 5:50pm

[size=150]Thought this may be useful to track any of us wanting the same resource at the same time.[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 2/3rd season, 11XP[/td]
[td]Read Leadership summae, 13xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Rego summa, 15xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Enchant Talisman, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Invent Profound Magnification of the Beast MuAn 20 and Hand of the Clumsy Beast MuAn(Co) 10, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Learn Leap of Homecoming from lab text[/td]
[td]Read Vim summa, 12xp[/td]
[td]Read Roots of Aquam, 15xp[/td]
[td]Invent Submerge the Irritating Hovel MuTe(Aq) 20, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 2/3rds of a season 8xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Parma Magic summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Read Corpus summa, 14xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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[size=150]Correspondence[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
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[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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ironboundtome · February 16, 2019, 11:25pm

thanks, adjusted on sheet.

MTKnife · February 18, 2019, 5:17am

You don't need a lab to read a lab text.

Also, I'd be willing to modify the rule to make it clear than any Art or Ability you've studied in the previous four seasons qualifies.

Scott

John_Graham_52 · February 18, 2019, 8:39am

I should make clear that I am more than willing to adjust my suggested advancement schedule if others want access to the same resources. Once we settle any reallocation I will post my final schedule.

On the issue of not needing a lab to read a lab text, would you not get the -6 to the lab total for not having a lab as per page 106 of Covenants?

Pralix · February 18, 2019, 2:41pm

Asena:
fall: half season 5xp greek
winter, spring: set up lab, 4xp exposure MT, 6p of vis
summer: Intellego summa 12xp Int

winter: Parma summa 11xp
spring: In the Laboratory, by Cuprincus Verditii. Magic Theory Tractatus, Quality 11.
summer: The Following Breeze 12xp Auram.

I was abit surprised to realize that she doesn't need her lab yet: She hasn't found her familiar yet, and a higher MT would be nice to create her bow Talisman. I am also a strict believer in raising arts to 5 as soon as possible so trivial spells can be sponted. her advencement does feel a bit odd since she doesn't go looking for her wolf right away, but that would probably require an adventure.

John_Graham_52 · February 18, 2019, 5:03pm

You are missing the second fall season.

John_Graham_52 · February 18, 2019, 6:24pm

[size=150]Thought this may be useful to track any of us wanting the same resource at the same time.[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td]Read The Senses and Sensibility, Mentem summa, 2/3rd season, 11XP[/td]
[td]Read The Gallic Wars, Leadership summae, 13xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read The Senses and Sensibility, Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read The Senses and Sensibility, Mentem summa, 16xp[/td]
[td]Read Discipline and Restraint, Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, Magic Theory, 2xp[/td]
[td]Read Discipline and Restraint, Rego summa, 15xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
[td]Read Blood and Tears, Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Enchant Talisman, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Invent Profound Magnification of the Beast MuAn 20 and Hand of the Clumsy Beast MuAn(Co) 10, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Read Blood and Tears, Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Learn Leap of Homecoming from lab text[/td]
[td]Read Analysing Vis, Vim summa, 12xp[/td]
[td]Read Roots of Aquam, 15xp[/td]
[td]Invent Submerge the Irritating Hovel MuTe(Aq) 20, +2xp in Magic Theory[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]Read Shield of the Order, Parma summa, 2/3rds of a season 8xp[/td]
[td]Read Shield of the Order, Parma summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Shield of the Order, Parma summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Discipline and Restraint, Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Read Discipline and Restraint, Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Read Blood and Tears, Corpus summa, 14xp[/td]
[td]Read Discipline and Restraint, Rego summa, 15xp[/td]
[td]Read Blood and Tears Corpus summa, 14xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
[td]Practice in Romaic Greek 2/3 time, 5xp[/td]
[td]Set up lab, 2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Set up lab, 2xp in Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Read Insight within Insight Intellego summa, 12xp[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Read Shield of the Order, Parma summa, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read In the Laboratory, Magic Theory tractatus, 11xp[/td]
[td]Read Follow the Breeze, Auram tractatus, 12xp[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Viola[/td]
[td][/td]
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[size=150]Correspondence[/size]

[tableborder][tr][th]Magus[/th]
[th]Autumn 1228[/th]
[th]Winter 1229[/th]
[th]Spring 1229[/th]
[th]Summer 1229[/th]
[th]Autumn 1229[/th]
[th]Winter 1230[/th]
[th]Spring 1230[/th]
[th]Summer 1230[/th][/tr]
[tr][td]Gregorius[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]+1 MT with Sylvanus[/td]
[td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fray[/td]
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[tr][td]Wishbone[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]None[/td]
[td]Rego with Theosignem ex Flambau of Polyaigos covenant (invented magus), +1xp Rego[/td]
[td]Rego with Theosignem ex Flambau, +1xp Rego[/td]
[td]Rego with Theosignem ex Flambau, +1xp Rego[/td]
[td]Rego with Theosignem ex Flambau, +1xp Rego[/td]
[td]Rego with Theosignem ex Flambau, +1xp Rego[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Timaios[/td]
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[tr][td]Asena[/td]
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[tr][td]Viola[/td]
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Salutor · February 18, 2019, 11:59pm

I think by read he means "invent a spell based off", which is a lab activity (with an associated Lab Total) and so does require a lab. However, Stephen's lab should be becoming available after Autumn 1228, as will Tasia's eventually (hopefully), so that shouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle.

I can see a reference to getting a -3 penalty if only a single season has been spent on set-up, but I can't see anything about a -6 penalty for being without a lab at all - am I missing something, or are you just doubling the -3 penalty? If the latter, I don't think it works that way.

John_Graham_52 · February 19, 2019, 9:35am

Yes I just doubled the -3 penalty for a half finished lab. It is what I have seen done before but may be its just

No lab
half finished lab -3
finished lab -0?

Salutor · February 19, 2019, 10:59pm

Page 94 of the main book says that "If an activity is based on a Lab Total, the magus needs a laboratory to do it". I therefore think it's just:

No lab
half finished lab -3
finished lab -0?

Pralix · February 20, 2019, 6:13am

My character hasn't personalized her lab yet.
She'd insist on a written promise of leaving it in the state it was was at the end of the time period, but she'd remove the sanctum marker for that time (I'm sure this can somehow be done magically without fuss). So others can use it.