Table Talk - Development

I need some clarification on the issue of changing laboratory flaws and virtues.
Right now, due to size and refinement, I have spacious (minor virtue) empty space (free flaw), and greater focus (major flaw). I am wanting to essentially eliminate all of these by rearranging the lab- would this take 1 season or 2? Or could it have been done in her last season of refinement since there was nothing physically added to or subtracted from the lab?

For the Lab I count one season. -1 remove Minor Virtue, +2 remove Major Flaw, 0 remove free flaw.
For Baker Boy, you are using rules from a book I do not have. So I don't know. Ask Fixer. How prolific is his cooking? How widespread an influence? Everyone or just a select few?
Adorra is to mainstream in my opinion. And hold off on that for now. I am making cuts and staffing changes next week. Stuff that has been changing all along, just an update to the list.

Later, when I refine my lab again, can I bank that size differential directly into spacious, or will that require another season??

An issue I just noticed- Marcus has the wealthy virtue, meaning he would only need to teach one season a year...

Hmmmm...
Wealthy doesn't fit in with being a Hermetic empployee either. Is it possible to replace that with "Generic xp granting Virtue" a few times?

I note that in C&G a wealthy person can work one extra season in order to advance their economic situation more quickly (basically they receive the same income but double their labor points). Perhaps some variation on this can apply, where he works extra seasons towards the eventual 'payment' of a longevity potion supplied by the covenant?

Who what where?
Baker boy?

Yup, as I understand it, you should not take the Wealth virtues/flaw if you're on the covenant payroll, only if you're on your own. Just like Magi don't take these: Their costs are entirely paid for.

Which makes sense: If you're a poor knight but the covenant pays for your food and lodging while putting you on training courses, you've got 4 seasons, eliminating the flaw. Conversely, if you're a wealthy peasant but the covenant gives you a lot of money (for you, that'd be scraps for the poor knight) but asks you to work 3 seasons as a merchant, the virtue is useless.
You can see this frequently with companions that are actively played and get 4 genuine "free" seasons, despite having no special virtue for that.

"Baker Boy" AKA Yanni (previously posted as Jesus (Hey-Zeus)) is a very skilled baker whose bread is of such quality (according to the rules in city and guild) that it provides a +2 quality bonus to those who eat it in categories such as aging rolls and recovery rolls from injury. It doesn't specify what portion of the diet it would need to eb or how many people a typical baker can feed (it seems to me the easiest calculation for this would be to look at his covenant productivity- skill/2+1, total 6.5, and compare it to the overall cost of food for the covenant, though this also gets into book discrepancies, as his stat brings his productivity (according to C&G) to 14/6 typical productivity. Of course according to C&G he should have an income of 10 lbs with a private business regardless of productivity...

regarding Marius- there simply is no virtue or combination of virtues that is going to match wealthy for giving him beginning abilities- can we treat this as a special case of initiation where by coming to the covenant he has essentially traded wealthy for another major virtue? We can trade it for magister in artibus, for example, and ignore the loss of experience which attends?

Actually, checking in A&A, Doctor in Philosophae would be only 10 points difference, if we are willing to hand wave that?

I am willing to handwave the difference and allow the special case trade, just wanting to make sure it all fits neatly.

For the Dough Boy, Jesus is his baptismal name. John Jesus Joshua Jones :slight_smile:
post a link to his sheet so fixer can make an axamination?

This is where he is listed, is there somewhere else his sheet should be?

Thanx for the link and calling my attention. Now I remember why I dragged my feet so long on this guy. So, to give you what you want and satisfy aesthetics, I suggest the following...
Covenant Upbringing doesn't fit. Perhaps take Outsider as a Minor Flaw? The backstory I imporovised makes the kid part Jewish, part Christian, with Moslem relatives.
Balearic Lore instead of Andorra Lore.
Drop Latin, Brawl, and Stealth. Lower his age a few years. Lower his starting Baking score? Give him a few years at the covenant before he blossoms.
But this is all trivial, since as agreed he is a grog of the covenant and not a personal servant.
Still want Fixer to rule on covenant wide aging bonuses. But I can easily imagine a Fatigue Recovery and Healing bonus. We will pack his bread and meat pies in our provisions on expedition :slight_smile:
I also noticed other grogs on that page that I have long neglected. Feel free to add them to the wiki.

Mmmm, tasty ageing rolls...

This may be a British thing. Rolls are small round loaves of bread, individual portion sized for a single sandwich. Usually soft.

:laughing:
We speak the same language. Same meaning over here too

Ironic spelling snafu aside, my thought is this- any one specialist can only provide for 20% of the covenant's food needs, so, percentage of the covenant covered (in terms of points, not population) is equal to 6.5/(.2*covenant food expenditures)
I'm removing Covenant upbringing, replacing it with outsider, and replacing the covenant-raised childhood with traveling childhood.

I note provisions is 150 £, which means 20% is 30, 6.5/30= 21.66% of the covenant in terms of points of inhabitants, or 136 points. That would include all the Magi, Yanni (because obviously he's eating his own bread), and 28 points worth of companions...

I think this one got lost. Silveroak, can you bring up to speed on Adan's status?

he is generally there to copy books for the library, we did have several books developing from the pre-adventure to city of brass, though it was never clarified whether it was just Adan copying them... honestly I'm not sure where I should have been keeping track of his seasons as a grog...

Yeah, there's really no good place to track that kind of thing. I was originally handling all the scribes on an offline spreadsheet, but with Adan and Lucas's scribes involved we need something multiple players can see. For now, can you tell me in which season Adan was first available to work and how many levels of summae he can copy in a season?

He began about the same time as Fleur, so spring 1234, and he can copy 16 levels per season. He did take one of his free seasons to read a book on magic theory...

I have some newbie questions on the discussion Vocis and Antoine had over in Chapter IV.

This is an excellent idea (there are so many options in Ars, I haven't quite got the hang of spotting them all yet!). It looks to me like a talking-to-someone spell would be CrIm, base 1, +3 Sight, +1 Diameter (or Conc), +1 intelligible speech, level 10 (flexible to range: arcane by Antoine). Easy.

A listening spell is InIm, base 1, +3 Sight, +1 Diam/Conc... but I don't understand Target as it applies to InIm. The book only gives examples for Target: Room; what would Target: Individual mean? That I could hear only one person? Or only what one person can hear?

If the spells are Concentration duration, can I maintain both at once?

Despite the fact my lab total is considerably more than twice the level, I cannot learn both in one season, because they use a different technique - correct? However, I could presumably concoct a two-way spell as In(Cr)Im, at the level of the harder of the two effects, +1 magnitude for the requisite?

Why would the user of a communication enchanted item need Finesse?

I don't actually know Leap. In fact, I would require rolling 22 to cast it, even within Arans' 5-point aura! Some study is required there, I think.