Table Talk - Development

The faerie regio that was referenced in several stories produces 1 corpus and one muto vis per year, which the two faeries fought over as a proxy war for the regio before the beast was defeated in the third story. As to why the flowers grow from the two six foot long oblong mounds- that is something that has not been researched to date...

I think those were stories you ran? Thus the disposition and record of them is on you.
The Resolutions have rules concerning vis finds. The one who found it keeps a portion of the first yield, the rest goes to the covenant ever after that. And I think it was Carlos & Lucia that initially discovered it. Not sure. You are equipped with a lot more information than I am :smiley:

Carlos and Lucia first found it, but weren't able to bring any home. It was more Roberto, Acutus, and Fleur who found the source along with the beast's stockpile of his winnings. So from 1238 onwards the covenant would have a source of faerie vis, 1 pawn corpus and one pawn muto per year.

According to our rules for Covenan Assets & Resources, the source now belongs to the covenant. The first fruits are given to those who discovered it. I (as an observer) still say Carlos & Lucia count. Doesn't matter if they brought any home or not. They found it. But they are not magi. So technically, according to our rules, they are not eligible. But I say we give them some cash anyways. Like 18£ each? But still, Rob And Acutus and Fleur are not the ones that discovered it. According to the rules, the covenant lays claim to all of the treasure as well. But in that case, I feel the covenant should kick them down a portion. A seventh divided between them.

I was trying to figure out when Fleur could use the Corpus Hermeticum, and notice that I winter of 1237 the two copies are being used by Fleur and the scribes and Fredrika

Magda (academic grog) has decided to try her hand at Vernacular literature (aka fictional poetry). According to the rules in Artes and Acadame this has a cost (usually requiring a sponsor) equal to 1 pound times the artists reputation (which begins at 0). What I am wondering is how much 'sponsorship' would reasonably be able to disappear into the library budget before anyone noticed (which will probably be a short story when it happens). Keeping in mind that the library is expanding with a current total of 5 scribes and 6 apprentices, which in a couple of years will expand into 11 scribes and 18 apprentices (unless someone decides we can't/shouldn't be affording that) along with the 4 academics who are generating new tractatus on magic theory. I also count 14 magi, a writing budget from covenants assumes 1 pound per person (magus, scribe, bookbinder, and illuminator), which would put us at a writing cost of 29 pounds a year, soon rising to 47 pounds a year. I would think Magda should be able to get away with a pound a year at the current levels easily, but with actual expenses at 47 pounds a year would we be looking at 2 pounds? 3? (technically her initial cost per A&A is 0 pounds (presumedly a fraction of a pound) as she has reputation 0.

No time for this, which is sad, since it sounds interesting. 1 Mythic Pound is an important sum, after all.

Who takes care of the finances? This would be important, as this is the one who could notice.
How would she divert founds? Is this even possible? This would affect things.

Arachné would notice nothing at all, btw.

Carmen handles the finances. As do I :slight_smile:
We can afford that amount, no problem. But she will still whine about it unless she sees that it is worth its value. I was fiddling with these numbers the other day (soon to be posted), and already we are spending over half our income. Granted, the remaining is a huge amount still. So no worries. However, that means that spending as much as two or three other normal sized covenants. Then again, we do have two to three times the membership of most covenants.

It sounded to me like silveroak was talking about how much embezzlement could go on before someone noticed. So I think the whole point would not be for Carmen to see the value in the expenditure, but for her to not notice that a MP was being diverted to unknown purposes.

I'm a little puzzled where the money goes. "Woe is me, the world is dark. I must compose poetry to salve my soul. But alas, I cannot do so until I have nicked a bit of cash". Even weirder, "Behold, my tales of woe are known to all and I have a steady income from sales of my compendia. And so now I need a small fortune every year to keep writing!" Do successful poets have to use top-quality ink and parchment, or something?

More like making use of extra ink, parchment or vellum, etc as she goes through her creative writing. It wouldn't be embezzled, she would just be over-using the writing resources. At least at the low levels. I have to think if she gets up to reputation 5 or so it would be hard imagining spending all 5 pounds on just vellum and ink.

Here are the estimated calculations I made last week. This presumes that Kesara has moved, Michaela has gauntleted, and Vocis has moved to Sa Dragonera (something I talked about a while ago, and it saves us at least 5£)

[size=125]Mundane Finances[/size]
Gross Income 1700£
Costs 970.4£
Net Income 729.6£

Income Sources
Salt Mines, Typical, 100£
Mercere Banking, Typical, 100£
Agriculture, Greater, 250£
Rents, Greater, 250£
Silver, Legendary, 1000£
Total: 1700£

Inhabitant Points: Combined Grand Total of 435 points
10 times six magi equals 60
5 times seven Companions equals 35
1 times four Familiars equals 4
3 times six Specialists equals 18
2 times fifteen Soldiers equals 30
2 times eleven Important Covenfolk equals 22
1 times six Important/Magical Animals equals 6
Subtotal: forty-three people & nine animals/familiars or 185 points
2 times seventy Staff equals 140 (37 Servants, 18 Teamsters, 15 Laborers/Employees)
Grand Total 325 points for one-hundred-nine people and nine familiars/animals

Sa Dragonera
5 times six magi equals 30
3 times two Companions equals 6
1 times four Familiars equals 4
2 times ten Specialists equals 20
1 times eighteen Soldiers equals 15
1 times eight Important Covenfolk equals 8
Subtotal: thirty-five people & four familiars 83
1 times thirty-five Staff equals 35 (17 Servants, 8 Teamsters, 10 Laborers/Employees)
Grand Total: 116 points for sixty-seven people and familiars

Annual Expenses: 970.4£
Base Total 983.4£
Savings 92£
Subtotal 881£
Additional Expenses 79£
Grand Total 970.4£

Buildings: 55.3£
Base 44.3£
Boons 11£

Consumables: 89£

Inflation: stable

Laboratories: 64.5£
Carmen 12.5£ (Upkeep +5, 2.5£owed)
Arachne 6£ (Upkeep +3)
Solomon 19£ (Upkeep +7, 9£ owed)
Vocis 1.5£ (Upkeep +1)
Vibria 1£ (Upkeep +0)
Fleur 1.5£ (Upkeep +1)
Roberto 10£ (Upkeep +4)
Lucas 3£ (Upkeep +2)
Acutus 3£ (Upkeep +7, 25£ owed)
Antoine 3£ (Upkeep +6, 18£ owed, subsidized)
Fredrika 1£ (Upkeep 0)
Guiverna 3£ (Upkeep +4, 7£ owed)
((Master/Pontifex: up to 10£ plus half over that))
((Journeyman: up to 3£))

Provisions: 221.5£

Wages: 528.6£
Double Base 438.6£
Double Soldiers 60£
30£ Pension Fund

[b]Armaments & Equipment: 10£
3200 points of Arms, Armor, and Equipment

Writing Materials: 24£
twelve magi, twelve scribes/clerks
Savings: -92£
-10£ twenty Laborers/Employees
-36£ twelve Common Specialists
-36£ four Rare Specialists

Additional Expenses
170£ Tithes, Tributes, Taxes, & Donations
9£ Miscellaneous

So any scribe or clerk using more than 1£ will get noticed, and if more than 2£ there will be an investigation.

There are also 4 'academics' who will produce 1 new tractus each per year, and in a couple of years I am expecting to bring in 18 new apprentices. Not sure how much that will impact the detectability of excess material usage.

Well, "12 scribes/clerks" was a rough estimate until I can get a more accurate count. The "4 academics" might fit in that category. The 18 new apprentices I have not accounted for. Carmen sees the value in that, and if you ask for a budget of 20£ it will likely slide no questions. Tap off that a little bit and we can see what else you can squeeze.

The assumed one pound per rep is for a player character sponsoring. Also copyright hasn't been invented so the poet wouldn't get a steady income. I assume the money goes to things like Absinthe, Opiates, Groupies, Parties and so forth.

Think of it like a singer/songwriter or author today when they do well if they make songs of woe. They start out getting paid nothing. No rep. They'll play at a venue for free, or post stuff on their wordpress. As they get more and more famous it becomes more and more expensive to get them to come play at your party or buy rights to their work.

This basically describes Mr. Stephen King "Behold, my tales of woe are known to all and I have a steady income from sales of my compendia. And so now I need a small fortune every year to keep writing!" Okay, he'd probably write anyway, but if you want him to write for you (your publishing house) you better be prepared to give him a small fortune!

I do however think that the plan to make a famous poet, while hiding her from Carmen has a fundamental flaw. Maybe you could convince Carmen the poet's books are of informational value? Maybe they could even count as Tractatus. Or Tracts or Pamphlets or Textbooks or whatever we're calling them now.

Right now she is basically just starting: Aesthetic quality:5 and reputation:0. When she gets a point or two of reputation then she might approach Carmen (or Fleur) about sponsorship, though at this point it would still be something of a hobby since the benefit of continuing her writing of tratatus on magic theory and actual topics of use far outweighs her value to the covenant as an artist of vulgar poetry. For the first 4 books however the sponsorship price is considered 0, so this is more of wanting to know when to start involving other characters. As written they can be considered SQ:2 for numerous subjects related to the story- which basically allows them to grant exposure experience not otherwise available, or as a SQ=AQ/2 for the topic of craft:poetic ability.

For example, her first book "The Pig and the Apprentice" can be read to learn craft:poetic ability with a SQ of 3 or as a SQ:2 for animal handling, folk ken, magic theory, magic lore, Latin, and area lore:Andorra. According to Art & Acadamie she will finish 2 such books in one season (until she reaches Artistic Quality:10)

Turtle, on the other hand, is directly seeking the patronage of the covenant or any magi in it. He already has an artistic reputation of 2 as a wood sculptor at age 7. (Magda is just getting started at age 14).

Ouch. This stings.

This also means that we're a huge power, economically 8)

I read this, and I'm thinking I'm missing something.
This is way outside her purview, but I can't shake the feeling that, presented rightly, Arachné would think that there's a good ressource to be used over here.

Okay, got it. She sucks big time at Faerie Lore, so she wouldn't see this. But, given enough years, Eva might, and explain to her that "There is magic in words. If Magda can weave a grand enough tale about Andorra's guardians, we might be able to create some kind of faerie enchantment which would summon mighty guardians in our service" (Which is the way she'd perceive how faerie works). And Arachné would totally love that.
But that's for when Eva is skilled enough in this.

Keep in mind that this is just a preliminary calculation. Or, in other words, close enough for me at the moment. Also, it is like calculating the finances of two different covenants and adding them together.
I would agree we are a huge economic power on a micro scale, as compared to other covenants of the Order or the individual establishments of other institutions. But on a macro scale, we are but a speck. The landed nobles and ricohombres of Iberia operate on a scale that is easily several times larger, and national economies run into the millions.

We have as of 1242 6 apprentice scribes working under our 3 'permanent' scribes plus 2 hired scribes from outside, in addition to 4 academics whose job is not to copy books but to study and produce new ones (right now primarily on magic theory). The 6 apprentice scribes have been apprentices since 1239, and will reach an ability of 5 within a couple of years. Our student-teacher (Patxi) has begun teaching Latin to what will be the new set of apprentices so when these 6 apprentices 'graduate' they and their masters (Adan, Amada and Niccassi) will all be able to take 2 apprentices each.

I appear to have missed Faith, where is she and when did she come into the picture? I was also under the impression that Nicassi was being employed as a scribe... and have worked with this assumption in calculating the books being copied. If he is the librarian my previous estimations of what has been done may be off (unless Faith happens to fill the same role equally)

so that is 15 or so instead of 12? Or maybe a high estimate of 18? That would add another 6£. Which fits just fine.
Post that to the Andorra Covenant announcement thread as a correction, so I don't forget it :smiley: