General Table Talk

Oh blimey. I'd picked up that Fixer was in continental Europe, but I hadn't realised he's Parisian. Yeah - I really hope you're ok.

Yikes. I hadn't realized that Fixer was from Paris either. I hope everything is okay with you, Fixer.

Don't worry everyone, I'm okay.

My sincerest apopologies to Marko for replying only now. I'm very sorry you had such a crappy WE because of this. I was gaming, far from all this, and never was in danger, although the bataclan thing strikes a chord.

We had that situation recently, with someone trying to buy an artefact of "+ a lot": If the item duplicates an existing virtue or flaw, you get that, like a greater feature. It is if there's no corresponding v/f that you use this rule.

This is especially important in that lab virtues are usually 100% optimized toward one thing, with reason IMO: If you get a big forge, ok, it's great for items, but it also makes your lab impressive, which could easily be disregarded if using only the "+1/10 levels" rule.

Hum... I suppose so. The first one seems ok by me (this is much needed, and a real improvement), I'm a little less sure about the second, but overall, why not?

The Range parameter is the range to the spell at the time of casting. It is irrelevant thereafter, save (IIRC) if you want to do modifications (say, a touch range flight spell would require you to touch the target to alter its course, or a Touch range Mind Control spell require the target to be at voice range if you want to give new instructions

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I know you are on the other side of France. But I was worried you may have trucked it up to the city for that metal concert. Thank God you are alright, and I pray your friends and family are safe as well.

On to brighter things and more gaming :smiley:

Quick question- where would I find the agreement with Bellaquin, or at least an outline of general obligations? Valgravian has already stated that they were in decline, and then there was an adventure thread which never got resolved in which some of their resources went missing and Valgravian was trying to lay the blame on individuals at Andorra. It seems to me about time for a story that will mark a more dramatic shift in our relationship.

I never wrote one up, nor do I remember if I said Andorra has a copy. Bellaquin has a copy they will let us look at, and certainly there is mention of it in Antonio's journals (which Carmen has). We might have a copy, or it may have been lost in the fire of 1230.
The other things you mentioned, I will need to look up.

Ooooh! That's interesting. Thanks, silveroak.

Hey, I just noticed, maybe it's my (bad) accent, but your name sounds to me like Silver Hawk, which I find cool. I also liked that cartoon

I'm wondering, as story squid, if we have information like how much they pay in rent...

I never broke it down to individual accounts. But we make 250£ a year on rents between Bellaquin, the Mercere Quarter, and private properties in Arans. I think the Mercere pay a trivial token amount, and Arans rents would not be that high. So I would figure the bulk of that, 180 or more, is paid by Bellaquin. That is equivalent to about 15 pawns of Vis. Sound reasonable?

So it is silver, not vis. That is useful.

Our economic system equates vis and silver and virtually the same. But it isn't. Compare to economics of a century ago. Paper money was a certificate equaling a certain value of silver. It could be spent and sold just the same. But paper money cannot be melted down and used in crafting things. In our system, silver can be traded and spent the same as vis, but it cannot be used as vis.

That is because the Barbary ape is a monkey. The educated did understand the difference by the 13th century, having knowledge of baboons and tailed monkeys and having done detailed examinations in autopsies & vivisections. The Romans had already figured that one out. Uneducated mundanes will probably not know the difference or make a distinction. But a magus would.
Not that it matters much at all.

I suspect that the market for vis/"real" silver will change pretty quickly in response to big dumps or purchases. All most every covenant can probably come up with some silver income source with a reasonable amount of effort, or meet their mundane means somehow. But when they have the "basics" and some overflow they won't want to spend effort to add more. Also if they do have extra income they'll bloat expenses to eat most of it. So there isn't a ton of extra to buy. However that also means there probably aren't a lot of people looking to sell their vis.

If anyone starts making regular sales of vis though I bet an enterprising magus will step up to meet the demand though. Expanding silver income is easier than expanding vis income.

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I have been keeping that in mind, and have many economic ideas for the development and evolution of the Hermetic Economy of recent years and years forthcoming.

  • Silver Rates: The rates of silver to vis fluctuate from region to region, and I expect the price to rise greatly over the next few decades. In Stonehenge, where the creation of silver is regulated, a pawn is valued at 10£. In Rome, where vis is a bit more scarce, it ranges as high as 15£.
  • Iberian Ruling of 1227: In Iberia, there are no regulations on the creations of raw materials, but the creation of counterfeit currency is forbidden outright. Traditionally, Hermetic exchanges involving vis &/or other Arcane goods & services, are made directly with vis &/or gold currency. That second part is not (yet) an absolute, but is (almost) always the way things are done.
  • Normandy and Provencal: Normandy has odd rules concerning mundane wealth and thievery. Provencal is bountiful in both vis and silver. They do not equate vis to currency, though the Mercere there still maintain the qp system for strictly arcane exchanges.
  • Money of Account: When vis is translated into mundane currency, actual hard currency rarely changes hands, and if then often only to make change for the stingy that demand every last qp. What usually happens is that a pawn of vis is translated as 12£, and then used to purchase that amount of goods & materials from Hermetic merchants (Redcaps, Venditiors, and those with appropriate Arcane affiliations).
  • Mark and Maravedi: The Mythic £ is just that, mythical. Real accounts and exchanges usually involved Marks (two-thirds a £) or the Maravedi (three-quarters £). Thus, a pawn of vis is worth 18 marks or 16 maravedi. The Maravedi is an actual coin in period, minted from gold. It will quickly become devalued and mixed with silver over the next decade or two, then becomes a different value silver coin and a term for a unit of gold account of the old value. So, even though the ratio of vis to hard currency will fluctuate greatly, as a unit of account it will stabilize in the long run. This all makes for interesting story material involving black markets and insider trading.
  • Major Economic Centers: I imagine the three major economic centers of the Order to be Barcelona, London (or somewhere in Stonehenge), and Harco. This is not based on power or wealth. I base this on the amount of exchange going on between magi of these and other areas that take place in these locations. Where the Mercere bankers and merchants are busiest at work.
  • The Vim Standard: Whenever I say "a pawn of vis", I specifically mean One Pawn Vim. Vim is used as the standard because it is always the highest in demand yet the most plentiful in supply. As things have developed since the introduction of this system, Vim is considered more valuable than other Forms but not yet equal to a Technique. Halfway between the two. Mercere (and Andorran magi) trade at a Fair Value of Thee Vim equals Two Technique or Four Form. For other magi, Purchasing Vis at Retail Price :mrgreen: costs Four Vim for Two Technique or Four Form. Selling Vis (Wholesale Price to Redcaps) will get you Two Vim for Two Technique or Four Form.

Unrelated:

I was looking the other day at the first pages of Through the Aegis.

There's a maga here that might interest Acutus: A bjornaer maga (Hilde?), giant blooded, with a Great Shark Heartbeast and the mystery of the epitome :smiley: They're very probably related in some way or the other.

I have recently asked IBT to take over operating and playing Vocis of Tremere. Yea, it jumps him ahead, But he is building off the creation of another instead of his own. And I shipped Vocis off to the Islands, so he will have some work to do. The character is just too good (and important) to ship off, and I am not doing an adequate job of running him as an NPC. So this is a big help :smiley:

I think that's great. True, he gets a jump. But he also has to play someone else's character. So it probably equals out.

Lucas had a good relationship with Vocis, so I'm glad to see him back being played.

Antoine too. It'll be good to see Vocis back in the saga.

I'm reading the threads to get an idea of what was going on, so please feel free to come forward with things too. We may need to do the odd retcon, but if like to keep to where he was and the plans. Firstly I'll be advancing him.