Grog Talk

A thread for discussion, questioning, and commentary on our grogs (mainly from here).

I had some time, so I worked a little with hero machine to do pictures of Gerard and Marie :smiley:

And I'm currently working on Hiems third and final fighter grog, his shield grog. Next stop, non-fighter servants :smiley:

Area Lore: Riversedge (secluded areas) 1

Doesnt this have to be for a particular Area , or is it just not named , due to unknown Covenant location, atm.
The specialization is ok , but i thought it would have to be for a particular river , not generically every river in Mythic Europe.
(From Celestria)

Riversedge is the name of the covenant in England where Cygna and her...entourage are from. The "Secluded Areas" specialization means that she knows where some of the secluded areas in the vicinity of the covenant are.

That explains things , sorry for being critical.

No problem...apparently I hadn't made that as clear as I thought I had.

Love celestria, seems like a lot of potential trouble and fun :smiley:

Due to the covenant having a gender imbalance , afaik , there seem to be quite a few extra women turning up.
Are we going to be calling it Wisteria Covenant , and living the lives of Desperate Lab Maga.


[tr][td]Intelligence: +2[/td]
[td]Affinity with Magic Theory[/td]
[td]Low Self-Esteem[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Perception: -2[/td]
[td]Apt Student[/td]
[td]Magical Air[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Presence: -2[/td]
[td]Failed Apprentice[/td]
[tr][td]Communication: -2[/td]
[td]Good Teacher[/td]
[tr][td]Strength: -2[/td]
[td]Great Intelligence[/td]
[tr][td]Stamina: -1[/td]
[td]Hyperborean Descent**[/td]
[tr][td]Dexterity: -2[/td]
[td]Magic Sensitivity[/td]
[tr][td]Quickness: -2[/td]
[td]Puissant Magic Theory[/td]

All Characteristics are at -2 due to her age.

  • Size Chart on p. 192 has -2 as “child” and -1 as “adolescent human”; I'm leaning toward -2, but it's borderline, I think.
    ** from Ancient Magic, p. 104.

I'd certainly look for Reckless (page58) as a plus in any Lab assistant. :astonished:

Having someone with Str & Dex at -02 (and possibly Size -01/-02) also not an endearing feature.
Any sensible magus would want someone a bit older , with slightly better Latin to assist.
Even just to offset the stat penalties.
Not all magi are dwarf-stature , but obviously her size will not be an issue for a lab assistant in that case.

If she hasn't proved her worth as a lab assistant by age 35 , then Hyperborean Descent seem superfluous.
Give her an Affinity in Profession: Scribe or Dead Language: Latin perhaps.
Maybe extra points in characteristics.

Reckless is great :laughing:

Also, I think she should not be attached to any magus in particular, but be more viewed as a covenant ressource. Your idea of having her be a MT teacher, for exemple, is great (both for us and for trade), and she could be sent to one magus or another depending on the needs, while spending the rest of her time reading about MT.
Profession: Scribe will be a boon then, allowing her to write great books, which we'll be able to trade. Latin, of course, will be a must for her to learn, although, since her parens just opened her arts (and failed), I don't see it as a requisite at all at chargen: He was planning to teach her, but hasn't.

Just saying , i think a 12 year old is a better fit as a lab assistant than a 10 year old.
I know Reckless is a minor personality trait , so lab explosions are unlikely.
Most magi are not powerhouses of strength and dextrous as a theremin player.
But -02 in both would seem to be a bit of a drawback.

The reason her stats are so low atm is because at age 10, you take a -2 to all Characteristics (chart on p. 29). In about four years, she'll have Int +4 and Sta +1, with zeroes across the board on the others.

Ditto on the size...she's a child, so she's going to be significantly smaller than an adult. (I have her adult height/weight at 5'4"/163 cm and 130 pounds/59 kg)

I figured she would have been about eight or nine when she was apprenticed, have studied for just a couple of seasons, maybe a year tops before her master was lost at the Battle of Las Navas last year.

I might. This is a first draft, and first drafts never see the light of day.

This is pretty much what I had envisioned.


"Thats right Claudia , your Master hated you so much , he destroyed your Gift before he died."
"You aren't pretty or rich so no-one will love you , being clever wont get you a decent husband."
"The Church will torture you to learn the secrets of the Order , so you can never leave."
"You might have some use if your children are Gifted."

From a tractatus on 101 things not to say to your valued lab assistant.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Ravenscroft, that's awesome!

Yup, sounds perfectly logical and reasonnable to me.

About hyperborean descent, it's value will be determined by the pace and theme of the saga. But whatever those, if you like it, take it! :smiley:

None of my Sod_Ales have any fashion sense whatsoever. :stuck_out_tongue:
(I mean , just look at those drab and tawdry off-the-rack outfits)

Therefore , Serrano will confine his efforts to garbing the Grogs in resplendent finery.
At no cost!
Sure , armor would be nice , and i think i can weave mail , with the right spell.
Not sure if any Sumptuary Law is in effect.
If so , it may only apply to non-Christians.

Okay, so here's my stream-of-consciousness on where Maria come from.

I was thinking, Okay, Cygna is traveling from England to Castile kinda the long but easier way, going water as much as possible 'cause that's how she rolls. But she doesn't speak Spanish. Nor does Terrence, nor Celestia. Hunh. And odds are that neither of the shield grogs that Riversedge sent with her to get her there safely and then come back do either. Wait a have an established (narrative) character who's Spanish. I had almost forgotten about her.

I kinda liked Maria...wonder if I should keep her or not? le browse the forum Whoa...the old geezers have absolutely no clue how to do guard duty. Kinda reminds me of the guy at the bank on The Andy Griffith Show who was like 102. Yeah...Maria sees that, she's going to want to stay. But why, in-character? If she had nothing to live for back in England maybe. le think okay...the incident was in 1179. She'd be in her late 50s now? No, wait...we're only in 1213. That' wait, Riversedge was founded in 1179...add 12 for when the imp thing happened, that's 1191 from 1213 that's 22, so, yeah, she can be like 38 or it 39, what the heck? le tinker with MetaCreator Okay, that works. Hope they let me keep her without making me pay points for her...should be able to since I don't think you pay points for actual characters. Okay, let's run it up the flagpole and see what happens, make sure they don't have a problem with her before I put her on the wiki.

Yeah...can you tell I'm tired and been reading too much Memebase lately? Night, everybody.

No, normally yu don't, although I see this as a kind of loophole "let us design all sort of wonderful specialists and über teacher without paying for it!".
I'm not sure Martial abilities alone are included in the list, so if it is a problem, just drop teaching.

But anyway, as I paid for things I wasn't supposed to, I guess the 2 even out :wink:

She looks fun, btw :smiley:

Just wanted to double-check something on the Jewish Inhabitants page before I made any corrections.

On the entry for Noland (Naomi) Sepharad...I'm assuming from the name that Noland Sepharad the blacksmith, whom everyone assumes is a guy, is actually Naomi Sepharad, a chick? (i.e. has the Transvestite Flaw). I'm pretty sure he is, just wanted to make sure because there's both pronouns in the entry and I have this urge to change one or the other. I'm pretty sure this is the case, but better safe than sorry...don't want to start an edit war :smiley:

You are correct. I have already conceded this pronoun-editing war to chicoazian.